Phil, Had a boss on VM man yrs ago, said learn the native VM and CMS commands first before you considering writing execs or clists. That was 20+ yrs ago, did that with VM , CMS, VTAM, TCPIP, etc ..if you understand how things work the GUIs are to me pretty but also makes people not think ....my $0.02 worth
Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Jun 27, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Phil Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > John McKown wrote: >> I somewhat agree (as difficult as that is for me). In today's world, it is >> expected that a worker will just walk in off the street and have the >> "intuitive" knowledge of how to use computers. As much as I dislike it >> personally, z/OS really needs the "new look" interface to present to the end >> users, and even programmers. I wonder if anybody has done a study of >> productivity between "old style" development using ISPF and >> edit-compile-test versus using the RD/z Eclipse based software. > > Of course they have...many times. And they all show that IDEs are more > productive, FVSO "more productive": programs get done faster. Not necessarily > better, but faster. And it's a positive feedback loop: once the IDE is all > anyone has used, old-school programming becomes unthinkable. > > And that's how we get the instability that is Windows. Not even necessarily > the Microsoft end of it: a near-infinite number of vendors with an infinite > number of monkeys banging away at their IDEs, producing products that sort of > work, but perhaps destabilize the underlying OS (or Office, or some other > product) may be the real cause. > > Of course this is an oversimplification, but when you make programming so > simple, even a kid can do it, you get programs written by kids. > > Even open source, for all its benefits, isn't a real solution: look at the > plugin-container hack Firefox has resorted to. Is that strictly because Flash > is so unstable? Chrome doesn't seem to have any significant Flash problems > (or maybe I just use Firefox more). I'm on the Beta channel of Firefox right > now because the production version was hanging my Windows 7 machines (maybe > that's been fixed by now, but it *was* true). Worse, I had no real way to > debug it. > > OK, so I sound like a cranky old fart. If the shoe fits... > -- > ...phsiii > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
