Gave,

Also experience some bad management here and aboard. Same common thread,
Managers who don't listen to highly qualified techies. Those that do, are 
understanding of the techie and what they deal with. 

Scott ford
www.identityforge.com

Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll 
understand. - Chinese Proverb


On Dec 21, 2012, at 10:50 AM, Scott Ford <[email protected]> wrote:

> Gabe and Shmuel,
> 
> I have had some of the best experiences and made friends in the horror 
> stories places I worked.
> Adversity seems to be a bonding element IMHO
> 
> Scott ford
> www.identityforge.com
> 
> Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll 
> understand. - Chinese Proverb
> 
> 
> On Dec 21, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Gabe Goldberg <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Maybe you didn't read to the end, last sentence: "And finally, a useful 
>> if-all-else-fails suggestion from another experienced practitioner: Outlast 
>> bad management". ;-)
>> 
>> More seriously, there's obviously no quick fix for bad/clueless/toxic 
>> management. Not profound ideas, but do the
>> best you can under the circumstances, (try to) understand why things are the 
>> way they are, (try to) communicate and inculcate best practices, (try to) 
>> change jobs, retire.
>>> Shmuel Metz said:
>>>>> Career Advice: Resolve to support and advance your mainframe career
>>>>> in 2013
>>>>> http://destinationz.org/Mainframe-Solution/Business-Case/Resolve-to-Support-and-Advance-Your-Mainframe-Care.aspx
>>> A couple of comments.
>>> 
>>> Sometimes there are institutional obstacles to practices that would be
>>> otherwise desirable, e.g., management that opposes code reviews,
>>> organizations that compartmentalize. What are the strategies for
>>> dealing with those?
>>> 
>>> Reminiscing is not always nostalgia; sometimes it is horror stories
>>> about "the good old days."
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Gabriel Goldberg, Computers and Publishing, Inc.       [email protected]
>> 3401 Silver Maple Place, Falls Church, VA 22042           (703) 204-0433
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