Ed, I working as a Network Sysprog and MVSer as a consultant for 20+ years so I work a ton of places in NYC. Ran into a lot of really good people and of course my fair share of not so good people. So of lot of us consulting ran into each other and new the *dope* on the shops we worked in. Also the same applied for the project leads we worked for. I did work for IBM GSS, so of course ran into a lot of really nice IBMers. But the big issue I ran into was jealousy over what we made as consults ,that was very nasty , coming in as a hired gun. I learned to keep my mouth shut and swallow a lot of comments.
Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Dec 21, 2012, at 2:09 PM, Ed Gould <[email protected]> wrote: > Scott: > > A *LONG* time ago we had a company here in town that was FAMOUS for screwing > its people and was constantly making changes to MVS via zaps. They also had a > high turnover in its people (sysprogs). A headhunter approached me and tried > to get me to go out for an interview and I refused in fact the argument got > so heated that I shut the headhunter down and basically fired him. A few > years later one of the sysprogs quit where I worked and went out there to > work and about a month later he was back asking for his own job back (which > he got). > I never asked him why but he just let us know the place was a zoo, > > Ed > > On Dec 21, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Scott Ford wrote: > >> Gave, >> >> Also experience some bad management here and aboard. Same common thread, >> Managers who don't listen to highly qualified techies. Those that do, are >> understanding of the techie and what they deal with. >> >> Scott ford >> www.identityforge.com >> >> Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll >> understand. - Chinese Proverb >> >> >> On Dec 21, 2012, at 10:50 AM, Scott Ford <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Gabe and Shmuel, >>> >>> I have had some of the best experiences and made friends in the horror >>> stories places I worked. >>> Adversity seems to be a bonding element IMHO >>> >>> Scott ford >>> www.identityforge.com >>> >>> Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll >>> understand. - Chinese Proverb >>> >>> >>> On Dec 21, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Gabe Goldberg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Maybe you didn't read to the end, last sentence: "And finally, a useful >>>> if-all-else-fails suggestion from another experienced practitioner: >>>> Outlast bad management". ;-) >>>> >>>> More seriously, there's obviously no quick fix for bad/clueless/toxic >>>> management. Not profound ideas, but do the >>>> best you can under the circumstances, (try to) understand why things are >>>> the way they are, (try to) communicate and inculcate best practices, (try >>>> to) change jobs, retire. >>>>> Shmuel Metz said: >>>>>>> Career Advice: Resolve to support and advance your mainframe career >>>>>>> in 2013 >>>>>>> http://destinationz.org/Mainframe-Solution/Business-Case/Resolve-to-Support-and-Advance-Your-Mainframe-Care.aspx >>>>> A couple of comments. >>>>> >>>>> Sometimes there are institutional obstacles to practices that would be >>>>> otherwise desirable, e.g., management that opposes code reviews, >>>>> organizations that compartmentalize. What are the strategies for >>>>> dealing with those? >>>>> >>>>> Reminiscing is not always nostalgia; sometimes it is horror stories >>>>> about "the good old days." >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gabriel Goldberg, Computers and Publishing, Inc. [email protected] >>>> 3401 Silver Maple Place, Falls Church, VA 22042 (703) 204-0433 >>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gabegold Twitter: GabeG0 >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>>> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
