David, That would e interesting . I worked on a PC500 solution, where it was OS/2 based running MVS at that time. It was at the end of a T1, with a 3800 channel attached to it. It was a big print server and worked very well.
Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Jan 30, 2013, at 1:27 AM, David Crayford <[email protected]> wrote: > On 30/01/2013 1:07 PM, Don Williams wrote: >> Hi Scott, >> >> While I've heard of zPDT, I don't really know/understand what is does or >> offers a vendor. Sounds like zPDT is an affordable and effective platform. >> Too bad some vendor did not use it to develop an z/OS EMR package for >> hospitals that already have a z/OS infrastructure. > > > It offers vendors who have no need for a sysplex a cheap > development/testing/demo environment that they can run on a laptop, desktop > or rack server. > It would be interesting to see how it measures up running a production > workload on the latest x86 iron like > http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/x/hardware/enterprise/x3850x5/specs.html > compared to a business class mainframe like a z114. > > >> Don >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On Behalf Of Scott Ford >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:23 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: mainframe "selling" points >>> >>> Don, >>> >>> Dude a lot of vendors, like ourselves run Z/Pdt >>> >>> Scott ford >>> www.identityforge.com >>> >>> Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and >>> I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb >>> >>> >>> On Jan 29, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Don Williams <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi John, >>>> >>>> System z is not cheap (does it start around $1M?). I expect the >>> traditional >>>> mainframe operating systems, like z/OS, z/VM, etc., to have a >>> significant >>>> price tag. I'm not sure what the pricing is for the zLinux variety >>> of >>>> operating system. Free does not get you business class support. Add >>> to that >>>> the environment, DASD, etc., it's hard for the startup vendor to put >>> all >>>> that in his garage :-) >>>> >>>> It seems like they are trying to prevent the creation of smaller more >>>> affordable "mainframes". What happened to P/390, FLEX-ES? Is there >>> any way >>>> to legally run z/OS on Hercules? If a small vendor needs coupling >>>> facilities, I think he is out of luck. >>>> >>>> Don >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM- >>> [email protected]] >>>>> On Behalf Of John McKown >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:42 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: mainframe "selling" points >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure, but the PC in impinging on the z in many ways. IMO, >>> one >>>>> reason is that some very creative people can afford their own PC and >>>>> tools (especially if they use Linux). The investment is very low >>>>> compared to a z. And the "vendor" can then market the product to >>> many >>>>> more people. Most every office in the world has PC class servers. >>> Take >>>>> the EMR package. If it is priced correctly and easy to use, then the >>>>> market into local doctor's offices is immense compared to, say, only >>>>> into a major hospital (which could possibly afford a z). I know my >>>>> personal doctor has some sort of PC based software. I see them (and >>> my >>>>> dentist) using it. And the doctor no longer writes physical >>>>> prescriptions. He just enters it into his laptop; it then ends up >>>>> going to my pharmacy; and they send a text to my phone when it is >>>>> ready to pick up. I really don't see much of any reason for >>>>> "application level" code on the z any more. Things like DB2, maybe. >>>>> But CICS? Sorry, it is simply easier to create a "web" based >>>>> transaction using WAS or JBOSS or Tomcat on a server. Doing so is >>> more >>>>> cost efficient for our size (and shrinking) business. The only >>> reason >>>>> we continue with CICS/COBOL is that we do incremental changes. We >>>>> don't have the money to convert from CICS or batch COBOL to >>> something >>>>> else (likely Microsoft .NET based <shudder/>). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Don Williams <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> In my company's case, it's not a matter of asking our vendor to >>> work >>>>> with >>>>>> IBM. The vendor already works with IBM, but has chosen to phase >>> out >>>>> their >>>>>> mainframe product and create a new one that runs on PC-based >>> servers. >>>>> For >>>>>> various reasons, the hospital decided to open the field and look >>> for >>>>> a new >>>>>> Electronic Medical Record (EMR) package across all platforms. My >>>>>> understanding is that there is no viable EMR package available on >>> the >>>>> z/OS >>>>>> platform. This made me wonder -- is there no EMR vendor who chose >>> to >>>>>> develop their product on the z/OS platform? I expect that >>> successful >>>>>> vendors carefully chose their platform(s). If they are not chosing >>>>> z/OS, >>>>>> why not? >>>>> -- >>>>> Maranatha! <>< >>>>> John McKown >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> -- >>>>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>>>> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM- >>> MAIN >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>>> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM- >>> MAIN >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
