Not all change is progress, nor does an ad hominem argument bolster your case. Neither does constructing straw dummies. "New is bad. Different is bad." is a free construct of your imagination, unrelated to anything that anybody here wrote.
Are their objections valid? I don't know, but misrepresenting them won't convince anybody that they're wrong. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Henri Kuiper [henrikui...@zdevops.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 12:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community Wow. What a lot of pushback. This is (IMHO) precisely what’s wrong with the (generic average) mainframe community. New is bad. Different is bad. Dudes (m/f) : it’s not the 80s anymore. That being said : here’s a little “why” for the existence of the thing : https://secure-web.cisco.com/1XvN1_V6ok1sJNlFaq7Z343XlW_wRn1pLUP1SgDYhckTcNv1FTRNKBGu8BhJjyQFtzWCCdxOEkvQnVbzjpkqyIRWBMVMKO5NSI-_UQmV1T4GP85WyNx0I4tfXKY1GyyBAr7-13umt61eWdwZnJ4bmDSMkvpmk0_byLSjeOa645E40X2BFl2gbfYLVB5tGPd17bav80BvBMpmwbZflaSxkwRKCxNL5XcRfUQPMhpXZWZmUKY1zXMYL7_BESm8M2UUp15dsc7B9m8yYh98BuxkEmTbrJsw_AtpWxwk9--8dv2iecdL4nxNDhXzCt6cDHOu1q85TVJ2MqEpSo446EYbJAKC4r5vEuKvLDlI1DJ2XnTNZopVXqx9eofDzOzd8aDo1iWe_YjyhkhxGMZSC3vWLVdzgWUvbc1ciqLqZXVnjecO_3YH03XnqCv8Bk5um6Tm4/https%3A%2F%2Fzdevops.tumblr.com%2Fpost%2F620908065704853504%2Fmainframe-community-mattermost That being said I’d say “traditional” peeps like some of the reactions I read here should probably not even try to see what it is. There’s no punch cards. No bus&tek. But an easy, modern, new (young) blood friendly environment where about 100 peeps are having some fun discussing mainframe things. No hard feelings. And a happy weekend ! Sent from my wireless iPhone > On 17 Jun 2020, at 01:12, Peter Bishop <p.bis...@computer.org> wrote: > > Hi Carmen, > > "there's no such thing as a dumb question" comes to mind. No need for any > corner for you. I also learned a bit of history and now know why that site > Kolosu mentioned looks like so much rubbish now... > > cheers, > Peter > >> On 16/06/2020 10:31 pm, Carmen Vitullo wrote: >> Kolusu, reached out to me personally and I replied to the wrong message and >> my response went to this forum, so I need more coffee. >> thanks for the kind words and now that my response is 'out there' I have to >> apologize to Mark for naming names. As a novice it's sometimes frustrating >> when the company you support does not pay for Q&A support from IBM and has >> been so terrible to loose all their MF staff. >> I've been lucky to be able to move on and learn more about design and build >> and supporting my environment. >> back to my corner >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Lionel B Dyck" <lbd...@gmail.com> >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 7:24:06 AM >> Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community >> >> Carmen - never put yourself down. While you may not be 'as smart' as some, >> I'm sure you are 'smarter' than some as well. We each bring to the table >> (forum/life) our own skills and capabilities which complement rather than >> replace those of others. >> >> Flames should be reserved for fires and stars, not for shaming others. >> >> Lionel B. Dyck <sdg>< >> Website: >> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1yULUSmjcKu0JnI82-5pjv0k_Bny1yocXQ9O03xc8h1NKHop6zLYzmNDxJ6z8LbrWzqNKRE7ptnw5iOhkRQ2c8tlxUmxWlMCHga0Sh61wLJ5v7tIB3FPgl7P0FZbnO2IGRvYoNImo91L3m4-Nh3nMPatReD2DgXqFRZJCuAAK6hvnhfK5RfaTyvdaxOGJO4RNHceQLytnjeMBaKC3SMbn2yACSsavfpWOzE1mSGe1rcML2-AvSd1pjmNwBoxRVhoiZXC_c1-RH3PG1QbOpmEwn9xD8ZhTQaJ1YoOVwo7jPVe_TeQVImE1vLNSIANkZwdjnp353SoqsOUka5CLnJ_BuoPXfoyGBoGe5KoPrn38nbp4M74Ba6OX1BKixY7lwHU1zSwreweMWT2oGDOfwBaNk9UcVYlwTboFQ37Nebqh99zBGO-q35f0ruDBXMtYAayr/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lbdsoftware.com >> >> "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you >> are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of >> Carmen Vitullo >> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 7:17 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community >> >> Kolusu, thank you for the history lesson, I personally would never >> 'advertise' (suggest) this site if I knew how low some folks will go to sell >> answers, I know of a couple of industries that do this, ask.com, I think was >> the first site I ever came across that you could ask a question and for a >> nominal price get an answer. >> As I mentioned, being a novice myself at one time, I needed help with a >> SYSPLEX issue, I asked here, well, IBM-MAIN, and no one paid attention, at >> the time the hot topic for MVS folks was Windows related, I pointed that out >> that this was a MAINFRAME forum and was immediately shamed and flamed by >> Mark Zelden + others , that was the only reason why I came across that other >> site . >> I've been a SYSPROG since 1993 came up from operations, I'm not as smart as >> most here but I do try and provide help when I can, and continue to read the >> Q+A here. >> again thanks for reaching out to me and not shaming me more on the forum >> >> Carmen Vitullo >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Sri h Kolusu" <skol...@us.ibm.com> >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 1:01:41 PM >> Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community >> >>> well then - they miss out on me, I've got free answers, and I know a >>> lot of folks - beginners mostly that received good help. >> I was a member of those sites and provided numerous answers (skolusu) and >> quit when they started forcing ads. >> >>> I have much more work to do than research other sites. >> I only pointed out because you are promoting a sham site. 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