In my humble opinion joe
On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:44 PM McCabe, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: > I know this is off topic but what does IMHO stand for? > > Thanks, > Ron McCabe > Manager of Mainframe/Midrange Systems > Mutual of Enumclaw > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf > Of Henri Kuiper > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 11:19 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community > > CAUTION: This email is from an external address. Please be careful of > links and attachments. > > > I was referring to the generic average. Not to anything anyone wrote here. > > I already regret replying. > > /EOT > > > > On 26 Jun 2020, at 19:30, Seymour J Metz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Not all change is progress, nor does an ad hominem argument bolster > your case. Neither does constructing straw dummies. "New is bad. Different > is bad." is a free construct of your imagination, unrelated to anything > that anybody here wrote. > > > > Are their objections valid? I don't know, but misrepresenting them won't > convince anybody that they're wrong. > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fmason.g > > mu.edu%2F~smetz3&data=02%7C01%7Crmccabe%40MUTUALOFENUMCLAW.COM%7Ca > > 1e943177ffc4f2d25da08d819fd702e%7C5a381f7dcc3d4a93b2cbd2fd072e535a%7C1 > > %7C0%7C637287923585463930&sdata=SjLcLbjqGR3mfHqipZQ1m9cCXLbjpal983 > > ru177s4ow%3D&reserved=0 > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [[email protected]] on > > behalf of Henri Kuiper [[email protected]] > > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 12:57 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community > > > > Wow. What a lot of pushback. > > > > This is (IMHO) precisely what’s wrong with the (generic average) > mainframe community. New is bad. Different is bad. > > > > Dudes (m/f) : it’s not the 80s anymore. > > > > That being said : here’s a little “why” for the existence of the thing > > : > > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsecu > > re-web.cisco.com%2F1XvN1_V6ok1sJNlFaq7Z343XlW_wRn1pLUP1SgDYhckTcNv1FTR > > NKBGu8BhJjyQFtzWCCdxOEkvQnVbzjpkqyIRWBMVMKO5NSI-_UQmV1T4GP85WyNx0I4tfX > > KY1GyyBAr7-13umt61eWdwZnJ4bmDSMkvpmk0_byLSjeOa645E40X2BFl2gbfYLVB5tGPd > > 17bav80BvBMpmwbZflaSxkwRKCxNL5XcRfUQPMhpXZWZmUKY1zXMYL7_BESm8M2UUp15ds > > c7B9m8yYh98BuxkEmTbrJsw_AtpWxwk9--8dv2iecdL4nxNDhXzCt6cDHOu1q85TVJ2MqE > > pSo446EYbJAKC4r5vEuKvLDlI1DJ2XnTNZopVXqx9eofDzOzd8aDo1iWe_YjyhkhxGMZSC > > 3vWLVdzgWUvbc1ciqLqZXVnjecO_3YH03XnqCv8Bk5um6Tm4%2Fhttps%253A%252F%252 > > Fzdevops.tumblr.com%252Fpost%252F620908065704853504%252Fmainframe-comm > > unity-mattermost&data=02%7C01%7Crmccabe%40MUTUALOFENUMCLAW.COM%7Ca > > 1e943177ffc4f2d25da08d819fd702e%7C5a381f7dcc3d4a93b2cbd2fd072e535a%7C1 > > %7C0%7C637287923585463930&sdata=feh79oxBKnJUOLcX0pYmtHJwYoOABeIety > > 9EMMxcYUM%3D&reserved=0 > > > > That being said I’d say “traditional” peeps like some of the reactions > I read here should probably not even try to see what it is. > > > > There’s no punch cards. No bus&tek. But an easy, modern, new (young) > blood friendly environment where about 100 peeps are having some fun > discussing mainframe things. > > > > No hard feelings. > > > > And a happy weekend ! > > > > > > > > Sent from my wireless iPhone > > > >> On 17 Jun 2020, at 01:12, Peter Bishop <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Carmen, > >> > >> "there's no such thing as a dumb question" comes to mind. No need for > any corner for you. I also learned a bit of history and now know why that > site Kolosu mentioned looks like so much rubbish now... > >> > >> cheers, > >> Peter > >> > >>>> On 16/06/2020 10:31 pm, Carmen Vitullo wrote: > >>> Kolusu, reached out to me personally and I replied to the wrong > message and my response went to this forum, so I need more coffee. > >>> thanks for the kind words and now that my response is 'out there' I > have to apologize to Mark for naming names. As a novice it's sometimes > frustrating when the company you support does not pay for Q&A support from > IBM and has been so terrible to loose all their MF staff. > >>> I've been lucky to be able to move on and learn more about design and > build and supporting my environment. > >>> back to my corner > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> > >>> From: "Lionel B Dyck" <[email protected]> > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 7:24:06 AM > >>> Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community > >>> > >>> Carmen - never put yourself down. While you may not be 'as smart' as > some, I'm sure you are 'smarter' than some as well. We each bring to the > table (forum/life) our own skills and capabilities which complement rather > than replace those of others. > >>> > >>> Flames should be reserved for fires and stars, not for shaming others. > >>> > >>> Lionel B. 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Character is > >>> what you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John > >>> Wooden > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On > >>> Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo > >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 7:17 AM > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community > >>> > >>> Kolusu, thank you for the history lesson, I personally would never > 'advertise' (suggest) this site if I knew how low some folks will go to > sell answers, I know of a couple of industries that do this, ask.com, I > think was the first site I ever came across that you could ask a question > and for a nominal price get an answer. > >>> As I mentioned, being a novice myself at one time, I needed help with > a SYSPLEX issue, I asked here, well, IBM-MAIN, and no one paid attention, > at the time the hot topic for MVS folks was Windows related, I pointed that > out that this was a MAINFRAME forum and was immediately shamed and flamed > by Mark Zelden + others , that was the only reason why I came across that > other site . > >>> I've been a SYSPROG since 1993 came up from operations, I'm not as > smart as most here but I do try and provide help when I can, and continue > to read the Q+A here. > >>> again thanks for reaching out to me and not shaming me more on the > >>> forum > >>> > >>> Carmen Vitullo > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> > >>> From: "Sri h Kolusu" <[email protected]> > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 1:01:41 PM > >>> Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community > >>> > >>>> well then - they miss out on me, I've got free answers, and I know > >>>> a lot of folks - beginners mostly that received good help. > >>> I was a member of those sites and provided numerous answers (skolusu) > and quit when they started forcing ads. > >>> > >>>> I have much more work to do than research other sites. > >>> I only pointed out because you are promoting a sham site. 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