What are COMTRAN and FACT, chopped liver?
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [[email protected]] on behalf of Joe Monk [[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 10:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? "Historically, COBOL made the wrong choice when they codified COPY for INCLUDE and used MOVE." I respectfully disagree. COBOL's mother is FLOW-MATIC. MOVE was in FLOW-MATIC. Joe On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 6:52 PM Wayne Bickerdike <[email protected]> wrote: > Bob, > > David didn't say there were languages that did "moves". He said that there > are several languages that implement a copy verb that does what MOVE does > in COBOL. > > Historically, COBOL made the wrong choice when they codified COPY for > INCLUDE and used MOVE. > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 12:51 AM Bob Bridges <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > You may have done so - by now I don't remember who said what first :) - > > but I was referring to Mr Crayford's post below. As I understood them, > > Tony Thigpen wrote that a MOVE is actually a copy, and Mr Crayford > > disagreed. I'm confused; is there any computer language in which the > verb > > MOVE exists and doesn't actually mean COPY? > > > > ...or SET, as you suggest. Yes, I like SET better. > > > > --- > > Bob Bridges, [email protected], cell 336 382-7313 > > > > /* In all affairs it's a healthy thing now and then to hang a question > > mark on the things you have long taken for granted. -Bertrand Russell > > (1872-1970) */ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of Wayne Bickerdike > > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 04:42 > > > > I referred to this since someone said that COBOL is English like. As such > > the language is wrong because it does not describe correctly in English > > what happens. COPY, REPLICATE, PROPAGATE would all be more precise > English. > > > > IDEAL(CA/Broadcom) has MOVE and SET. They do the same thing. Which do > you > > prefer: > > > > MOVE A TO B or > > SET B = A ? > > > > --- On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 4:30 PM Bob Bridges <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > Am I missing something obvious, here? In what computer language(s) is > a > > > move not actually a copy? And how? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: David Crayford > > > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 00:53 > > > > > > I beg to differ! For the programming languages I code in use there is a > > > huge difference between copy and move semantics. > > > > > > --- On 2020-07-17 11:12 AM, Tony Thigpen wrote: > > > > From the start, MOVE in the programming world has been equated to > what > > > > you are calling a COPY. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > Wayne V. Bickerdike > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
