IBM patents are mostly pathetic. They patent stuff like "how to create a railroad diagram using REXX . It's embarrassing! The likes of Google, Facebook and even the new Microsoft open source all of their code so everybody can use it for free. Software patents are nothing more then bargaining chips. Google doesn't care about who has access to their code. They give it away for free.

On 2020-10-11 9:31 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:
IBM, as usual, almost always leads the US in patents. This year is no 
exception. Which indicates how intelligent their engineers are. IBM laid the 
groundwork for much of today’s IT.


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On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:43 AM, zMan <[email protected]> wrote:

Well, big companies ARE using AWS, GCP, and Azure for critical information.
We deal with them every day.

And for the record, I'm hardly an IBM or mainframe basher. I just call out
BS when I see it, like that 1.3M/second. Which you have not responded to.
It was IBM who said they came up with that by taking their largest
customers and extrapolating. Using that methodology, every car is good for
2M miles and gets 80MPG. Oh, and we're all billionaires. See how bad that
approach is?

Now, if the $6B is true, that's fascinating. It still doesn't explain why
the dozens of large mainframe shops we work with NEVER mention IBM when
they talk cloud. Maybe IBM has a few really big clients (.gov)? I don't
know.

Back to processing credit card transactions--again, processors don't use z.
(Well, I can think of a couple that do, but by and large, they don't.)
You're confusing processors, acquirers, issuers, and brands. Those are
different.

On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 2:27 PM Bill Johnson <
[email protected]> wrote:

6 billion in cloud revenue latest quarter. About half of AZURE. Looks
bigger than 2% to me.
https://cloudwars.co/cloud-wars-top-10-vendors-world/
Read up.



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On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan <[email protected]>
wrote:

Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact
remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't
become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction
quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112
BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be
serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their
largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out
there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh?

And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure,
and even GCP.

You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from
the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. The
truth is out there.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson <
[email protected]> wrote:

I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need
the
lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to
do.
Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller
companies
are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to commoditization.
Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to
slow.
Even with the government contract.


https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/31/probeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azure-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing/amp/


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On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 <
[email protected]> wrote:

Don't believe whoever told you that about AWS.  There are real companies
building real enterprise-level applications on AWS today.

Peter

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2 completely different markets. AZURE & AWS are consumer market clouds.
IBM is enterprise.


On Friday, October 9, 2020, 5:28 AM, zMan <[email protected]>
wrote:
Actually, Bill, it's pretty clear that you didn't read the report. It's
at
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://kinsta.com/blog/cloud-market-share/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!bkn5Ica_-GSgVSVMQhoO-ZwjnqBMD632lXyTKAVvTtc_OWH8fyBG3CcIrbtSWqbpWZCJsA$
and lists the top 5 vendors, comprising more than half the market, and
then
notes that the next ten players--of whom IBM is one--"account for another
26% of the SaaS market".
So IBM has a couple of percent; as I said, that's a joke. Not a major
player.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 10:04 PM Bill Johnson <
[email protected]> wrote:

Anyone who says IBM cloud is a joke isn’t well informed.
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On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 3:41 PM, zMan <[email protected]>
wrote:

"IBM cloud" is a joke. When anyone talks about cloud, it's AWS, Azure,
maybe GCP. NEVER EVER ONCE IBM.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 12:24 PM Allan Staller <[email protected]>
wrote:

Classification: HCL Internal

Don't know anything about this directly, but It actually might help
the "traditional" portfolio by allowing more focus.
The cloud portion can benefit from reduced bureaucracy, so on the
surface,
this is a win-win.

OTOH, how many cloud providers have been hacked to date. I recall
APPLE, AMAZON and I think one more.



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