And yes, we had battery and generator backup.
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:18 PM, David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote: Who said it has anything to do with the mainframe? The point was that IBM's cloud is not great. Mainframes don't, wont and never will have a role in public clouds. They are for running legacy applications. Maybe hybrid clouds may adopt some z? I certainly hope so. Anything that modernizes the platform to give it more life is a good thing for all of us. And I would love to know what pharmacy has 99.999+ uptime? Do they typically run a UPS and generators in case of a power cut? What about network redundancy and other fail-overs in the store? On 2020-10-11 9:41 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > Looks to me like those census problems weren’t mainframe related at all. I > didn’t say enterprises don’t use AZURE or AWS. They do. They just don’t use > them for mission critical, highly sensitive information. If you walk into a > pharmacy for life saving meds, you want 99.999+ up time. You also don’t want > your health records hacked. In fact, most HC companies can get fined 10k per > record compromised. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:28 AM, David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > You're conflating enterprise with traditional mainframe customers such > as the finance industry. Apple, BP, Shell, Coca-Cola etc all use AWS, > are they not enterprise customers? As for health care, the UK NHS is a > huge AWS customer. > > The reputation of IBM's cloud (or maybe just IBM) in Australia hasn't > recovered from the 2016 census fiasco [1]. The Australian government no > longer trusts IBM and has moved to AWS [2]. > > You're obviously an IBM fanboy. A lot of what you say is absolute nonsense. > > [1] > https://www.zdnet.com/article/censusfail-an-omnishambles-of-fabulous-proportions/ > [2] > https://www.zdnet.com/article/australian-2021-digital-census-to-be-built-on-aws/ > > > On 2020-10-11 1:39 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: >> You’re comparing 2 entirely different clouds. IBM isn’t in the consumer >> cloud market. There is more money in PC’s than there is in mainframes too! >> And IBM processes 90% of credit card transactions. You were wrong. No >> fortune 100 companies are going to use AZURE or AWS for highly critical, >> highly sensitive information. Consumer clouds are everywhere. It’s becoming >> commoditized. Enterprise cloud will never be commoditized and will remain >> highly profitable. Banks, big retailers, and health care can’t afford the >> hacks and crashes of consumer cloud services. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact >> remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't >> become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction >> quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 >> BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be >> serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their >> largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out >> there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? >> >> And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure, >> and even GCP. >> >> You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from >> the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. The >> truth is out there. >> >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < >> 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >> >>> I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need the >>> lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to do. >>> Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller companies >>> are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to commoditization. >>> Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to slow. >>> Even with the government contract. >>> >>> https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/31/probeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azure-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing/amp/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 < >>> 0000031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Don't believe whoever told you that about AWS. There are real companies >>> building real enterprise-level applications on AWS today. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf >>> Of Bill Johnson >>> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:53 AM >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>> Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies >>> >>> 2 completely different markets. AZURE & AWS are consumer market clouds. >>> IBM is enterprise. >>> >>> >>> On Friday, October 9, 2020, 5:28 AM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Actually, Bill, it's pretty clear that you didn't read the report. It's at >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://kinsta.com/blog/cloud-market-share/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!bkn5Ica_-GSgVSVMQhoO-ZwjnqBMD632lXyTKAVvTtc_OWH8fyBG3CcIrbtSWqbpWZCJsA$ >>> and lists the top 5 vendors, comprising more than half the market, and then >>> notes that the next ten players--of whom IBM is one--"account for another >>> 26% of the SaaS market". >>> So IBM has a couple of percent; as I said, that's a joke. Not a major >>> player. >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 10:04 PM Bill Johnson < >>> 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >>> >>>> Anyone who says IBM cloud is a joke isn’t well informed. >>>> Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 >>>> >>>> | >>>> | >>>> | >>>> | | | >>>> >>>> | >>>> >>>> | >>>> | >>>> | | >>>> Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 >>>> >>>> Deep dive into the Cloud Market Share with tons of data and stats >>>> compared to explain the different cloud services and identify the >>>> leading cloud providers. >>>> | | >>>> >>>> | >>>> >>>> | >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 3:41 PM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> "IBM cloud" is a joke. When anyone talks about cloud, it's AWS, Azure, >>>> maybe GCP. NEVER EVER ONCE IBM. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 12:24 PM Allan Staller <allan.stal...@hcl.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Classification: HCL Internal >>>>> >>>>> Don't know anything about this directly, but It actually might help >>>>> the "traditional" portfolio by allowing more focus. >>>>> The cloud portion can benefit from reduced bureaucracy, so on the >>>> surface, >>>>> this is a win-win. >>>>> >>>>> OTOH, how many cloud providers have been hacked to date. I recall >>>>> APPLE, AMAZON and I think one more. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On >>>>> Behalf Of Dave Jousma >>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 10:44 AM >>>>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>>>> Subject: IBM splitting into two companies >>>>> >>>>> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. 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