Classification: Limited I concur; deselecting 'Display Total Tracks' causes the progress bar to appear on a SORT command - I always have that selected, along with 'Show Catalog Name'.
Andy Styles z/Series System Programmer -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: 15 October 2020 15:01 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [External] Re: ISPF dsn sort -- This email has reached the Bank via an external source -- That's not what is happening. A different poster nailed it earlier. If the "Display Total Tracks" is selected on the dataset list utility screen, the first time you hit PF10/11 to go right or left, ISPF needs to read the entire list in order to populate the "total tracks" line. Thus you get the progress bar. If you don't have that selected, ISPF only works with the screen's worth of data so no progress bar until you do a sort. Once the sort is requested, ISPF needs to read the entire list to be able to do the sort correctly. Once ISPF has all the information it needs, you can resort the data any way you want and it won't need to reread it. At least that's what I've seen with my testing of it. Rex -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 6:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [External] Re: ISPF dsn sort I've never noticed the behavior, but now that the OP has pointed it out, the reading-the-list-again explanation doesn't satisfy me. If there's a delay and a progress bar when reading the list to do the sort, why is there no similar delay when scrolling right to see the data which (according to this explanation) has not yet been collected? I'm not buying it. --- Bob Bridges, [email protected], cell 336 382-7313 /* Our world is not divided by race, color, gender, or religion. Our world is divided into wise people and fools. And fools divide themselves by race, color, gender, or religion. -Mohamad Safa */ -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 13:12 This is one of those IIRC posts. I think this behavior goes back decades. The reason is as Kolusu states. Moreover--IIRC--the very appearance of the 'progress bar' was in response to what could be a long delay. Delay to the point that the user might suspect that the process was hung outright. I remember when the bar was introduced with that very explanation. Everything in those distant days was slower than today. As for the difference in processing, I could imagine an RFE asking for a 'quick sort' based only on the data previously collected and displayed. -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Sri h Kolusu Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 9:47 AM 3.4 listing shows the list of datasets sorted on the Dataset name by default. Now when you issue SORT DSORG command , ISPF needs to read in the list once again and make DSORG as the primary key and then present you the list sorted on that order. You will -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:18 This is something that has puzzled me for years. I can use ISPF 3.4 to display a set of data sets. If I scroll right then I am shown the space usage figures. Scroll right again and I am shown the DSORG, RECFM, Lrecl and Blksize. 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