If you don’t have the users to test the system, it least upgrade and be prepared just in case. I was involved in several cases where clients used unsupported software and the fact they had an up to date version to test. My advice, install the required os and software versions.
ITschak בתאריך יום ד׳, 21 ביולי 2021 ב-21:05 מאת Rob Schramm <rob.schr...@gmail.com >: > The biggest issue with running unsupported is the length of time that > you're going to be unsupported. Unfortunately with the going off platform > if they meet the date even within a couple years sure you could do that... > Well as the other posters have said that there might be legal reasons or > regulatory reasons that you wouldn't be able to be unsupported. But let's > say the corporation doesn't care and they're willing to go for it anyways.. > then really your thing is all about running down the clock. Couple years > is one thing but 10 years would put you in a really bad spot. Assessing > the value of the assets that are left on the mainframe would be critical if > it appears like it's going to get out of hand for the amount of time you're > going to be on the platform. Shareholders and upper management when you > can quantify the value of the assets can get pretty upset when they realize > that they might have a gross failure and no disaster recovery plan because > you can't find the hardware anymore. And nor can you fix anything that > might be a security problem. > > Rob > > On Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 3:35 PM Radoslaw Skorupka <r.skoru...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > Ron, > > > > Yes, it was more or less (rather less) like attorney. However it is not > > pointless - I saw and I heard about many cases where the result of > > neverending replatforming process was the process "in progress", but the > > mainframe in deep trouble. Why? Because of many reasons like new > > development (it wasn't planned, BUT it occured necessary), new hardware > > (old system do not support new DASD or CPC? why?), etc. Note: the more > > outdated environment the more complicated any change will be. > > > > IMHO your role... OK, your role is to stay safe until retirement, but > > the role of mainframe head is to present pro's and con's to the > > management and let them decide. Recommendation is also welcome. > > > > > > -- > > Radoslaw Skorupka > > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > > > > W dniu 19.07.2021 o 19:05, McCabe, Ron pisze: > > > Radoslaw, > > > > > > You're like a prosecuting attorney digging down to get the truth out of > > your witness ... > > > > > > Are we moving off the mainframe? That is what I mentioned in my email. > > Exact date? Not really but they did say the goal was 4th quarter 2022. > Is > > the date guaranteed? No, but what in life is? > > > Who is the guarantor? Word has come from the President/CEO of the > > company and yes the CIO was pushing for it. > > > Do I/we have it on paper ... the President/CEO put it into one of his > > monthly status notices to the company so yes, I would say it is on paper > > and has been clearly communicated. > > > So you would lose the bet. > > > > > > I doubt there will be new management in a few years ... I do not see > the > > current President/CEO, CIO, and/or any of the other VP's leaving the > > company or being replaced by the board. > > > Yes our system will be unsupported but this won't be the first time > plus > > IBM will still help for a known problem and truthfully I'm not expecting > > any because we are not doing any "new" development on the mainframe. > > > *I* will not be in trouble because I will be retired and if they find > > they need to go back (keep) the mainframe up and running then good luck > to > > them to find those that will/do still work on the mainframe. > > > I do not classify us as a financial institution ... we are a Commercial > > and Personal Property Insurance Company ... I do not know if that > > classifies us as a financial institution. > > > I/we too have gotten the green light to do the upgrade but after trying > > to get BA's and DEV's to test on it for the last 6 months I'm about ready > > to give up since they are all too busy with their normal day to day work > > where they cannot spend an hour or two to do some testing for us. Plus > we > > have a couple of old applications that no one really knows how they work > so > > testing them is next to impossible and if they don't work we cannot go > > through with the upgrade. > > > > > > Thanks to those that I have heard from that are running on older z/OS > > versions with no problems ... that at least makes me a little more > > comfortable not keeping our system up to date. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Ron McCabe > > > Manager of Mainframe/Midrange Systems > > > Mutual of Enumclaw > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On > > Behalf Of Radoslaw Skorupka > > > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:13 PM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: Re: z/OS versions > > > > > > CAUTION: This email is from an external address. Please be careful of > > links and attachments. > > > > > > > > > Are you moving off the mainframe? > > > Do you know exact date of mainframe shutdown? > > > Is the date guaranteed? > > > Who is the guarantor? Some team leader, project manager, external > > contractor? Is it CIO? > > > Do you have it on paper? Is it clearly communicated? > > > > > > I bet NO. > > > So I bet few years later there will be new management, who did not > > guaranteed anything. > > > But *your* system will be unsupported with some effects of it. > > > *You* will be in trouble. > > > Note, it is sometimes against the rules to run such system by financial > > institution. > > > > > > The last caused I've got green light for system upgrade, despite they > > want to move off the mainframe. However the willingness is approx. 10 > years > > old, but results are still not promising. > > > Oh, BTW - while it was impossible to move off the mainframe, it occured > > possible to move off me. :-( > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Radoslaw Skorupka > > > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > > > > > > W dniu 16.07.2021 o 21:52, McCabe, Ron pisze: > > >> Hello IBM List, > > >> > > >> Got a question about how you feel about running on an unsupported z/OS > > version. Just about like everyone else our company is moving off the > > mainframe ... after several failed attempts I do believe they have > > something that will work this time and I'm OK with it because if they > reach > > their goal End of Life for the mainframe will be when I was planning on > > retiring. > > >> Some background - we are currently running z/OS 2.2, we started the > > process to upgrade to 2.3 about 6 months ago and we are close to > > implementing providing our DEV's and BA's can finish up the testing that > we > > require which is not going very well. Since the EOL goal for the > mainframe > > is 4th quarter 2022 we are now thinking of not implementing z/OS 2.3 > since > > it could possibly cause more problems for us than just staying with z/OS > > 2.2. > > >> > > >> So my question - how does everyone feel about running on an > unsupported > > z/OS system? > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Ron McCabe > > >> Manager of Mainframe/Midrange Systems > > >> Mutual of Enumclaw > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e- mail and all attachments may contain > > CONFIDENTIAL information and are meant solely for the intended recipient. > > It may contain controlled, privileged, or proprietary information that is > > protected under applicable law and shall not be disclosed to any > > unauthorized third party. 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