And a very Merry Christmas to all. Thanks,
…….Cameron Vacation Alert: I will be OOO from December 9th 2021 though to January 4th 2022 inclusive. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Joe Monk Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 10:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [External] Re: AWS is down. Gents, please. No body cares. Joe On Wed, Dec 8, 2021, 22:05 Bill Johnson < [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > No, I quoted IBM I/O claims. Of the mainframe. Even cut & pasted from the > IBM manual. But, we all know you like to always think you’re right. Parsing > stuff is your narcissist MO, looking for little things that really aren’t > even part of the original reason for the thread. The fact is the mainframe > is far more secure, way more available, faster, and unlikely to lose to the > cloud vendors any of the real lucrative critical business. AWS holds my > photos, for free. And I’m fine them not being available now & then. IBM’s > mainframe business will be around far longer than you and I will be alive. > Making sure your financial information is secure and always available, > making sure your health care and pharmaceutical information is HIPAA > protected and available for any emergencies that arrive, making sure your > insurance claims are paid in a timely manner, making air reservations less > stressful than air travel itself, allowing major retailers the ability to > process the billions of transactions they require daily. IBM fanboy? Hell > yes. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 9:18 PM, Seymour J Metz > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > You started saying 1 microsecond and retreated to 4, which is still a long > way from 500. And you're a falure as a telepath; you don't have a clue what > I'm thinking. > > My MO is to act as if facts matter. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3<https://isolate.menlosecurity.com/1/3735928037/http:/mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3> > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] on behalf > of Bill Johnson > [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 8:59 PM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: AWS is down. > > “Four microseconds is also nonsense”, is exactly what Metz said. He STATED > that. I knew exactly what game he was playing from the very start. It’s his > MO. Narcissism is what narcissists must do. I’m here to get facts, not play > games trying to be friends. Knowing who the experts are is more important > than the nonsense some people post or how often they post. It’s really > pretty simple. You want zOS facts, Relson is the guy. You want SMP/E > expertise, Kurt Q is the oracle. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 8:18 PM, patrickfalcone7 < > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > Don't like to get into these but I have respect for Seymour and would ask > you not to fan flames. While I understand Seymour's response he didn't > necessarily state anything but questioned the possibility.Seymour I did not > mean to put you in any unnecessary positions and apologize if I did. My > post was only to state what metrics I've seen in the last couple of years. > And you'd be surprised at how many might not know that it is possible to > get mics on average with even backleveled kits.When we did our last array > upgrade we went from 4 mills to around 400 to 500 mics. To me that is > significant and ended up being so. I saw workload shifts in time due to the > significance of the array swap.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy > smartphone > -------- Original message --------From: Bill Johnson < > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Date: 12/8/21 4:07 PM > (GMT-05:00) To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: AWS is down. > LOLOLOLOL, I love when the so called “experts” are proven wrong.Sent from > Yahoo Mail for iPhoneOn Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 4:04 PM, > patrickfalcone7 > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote:Hope you are well. FWIW I've seem mics for sometime but mostly under > favorable conditions. But lately have found mics on average from under 5 on > avg. mills.with somewhat newer array technology on < z15 CPCs.Sent from my > Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone-------- Original message --------From: > Seymour J Metz <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: 12/8/21 9:05 AM > (GMT-05:00) To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: AWS is > down. On what machine do you > complete I/O in a microsecond?--Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metzhttp:// > mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3________________________________________From:<https://isolate.menlosecurity.com/1/3735928037/http:/mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3________________________________________From:> > IBM > Mainframe Discussion List > [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] on behalf of Bill > Johnson > [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>]Sent: > Wednesday, > December 8, 2021 7:31 AMTo: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>.EDUSubject: Re: AWS is > down.I see someone who has never worked in health care where the mainframe > processes each drug prescribed and checks for drug interactions in a > microsecond. Yes, people die if the mainframe isn’t available. It’s also > why there are plenty of pharmacies open 24 hours and why hospitals have > pharmacies.Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhoneOn Wednesday, December 8, 2021, > 1:33 AM, kekronbekron > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote:Critical infra in some places, sure, not everyone is denying > that.At<https://isolate.menlosecurity.com/1/3735928037/http:/that.At> > the moment of urgent need, do people really buy something and wait for MF > to finish processing, for them to be then allowed to continue > breathing?What happened to the interim stages (logstics etc).It sounds as > though failure to buy/order something immediately is going to lead to their > death... is what's being said.Sounds pretty privileged to > me.It<https://isolate.menlosecurity.com/1/3735928037/http:/me.It> also sounds > like it's assumed that mainframes will last 500 years, no?Did the world not > exist before 1960s?Did people automatically die before 1960s because they > didn't have MF?Are people and organizations not allowed to be wrong (to > their own detriment), etc.Are we sure that 100% of all information out > there is truth, apart from this announcement that AWS wants to replace > MF?We can all like MF, but don't need to act like it's the sole saviour of > humanity.Again that means that all technology that evolved since then is a > complete waste of time and people's efforts.Sounds pretty delusional to > me... just to convey that MFs are good servers.- KB‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐On Wednesday, December 8th, 2021 at 10:00 AM, Bill Johnson < > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote:> AWS had a larger > & longer outage today, than all the outages on the mainframes I’ve worked > on in the last 30 years. Much worse. Yet, some here think AWS is going to > replace the mainframe for critical applications like banking, health care, > big retail, and insurance. Plus, the mainframe has had plenty of negative > posts here in the decades I’ve been involved. Nobody dies when Netflix > isn’t available. (One of the hits from today) people can and do die if the > drugs they need aren’t available because the computer system is down.>> > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021, 11:01 PM, > kekronbekron > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:>> Not > at anybody in particular:>> Do we have to make snide remarks because > someone else had an outage?>> Don't we remember the times when things on > the mainframe itself went south?>> Has every site's MF env. been 100% > available through all these decades?>> Is it wrong to fail sometimes?>> Is > this the attitude with which you'd like to retire, holding onto precious > remarks and burning the path behind you as you leave?>> What does that say > about one's mentality and outlook in life?>> - KB>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original > Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐>> On Wednesday, December 8th, 2021 at 3:54 AM, Ronald > Wells > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:>> > Pretty > pic/web pages make the $$ did you not get the memo> >> > -----Original > Message-----> >> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> On Behalf Of John > McKown> >> > Sent: Tuesday, > December 7, 2021 2:57 PM> >> > To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> > > Subject: Re: AWS is down.> >> > ** EXTERNAL EMAIL - USE CAUTION **> >> > > Oh, but they advertise that they can replace mainframe. Well, maybe the > processing. But not the on site reliability. Of course, for WFH, the > internet is the week point. And, most likely, also the home equipment. I > just had to reboot my Windows PC at home because it decided to stop talking > to my internet router.> >> > On Tue, Dec 7, 2021, 12:49 Bill Johnson < > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote:> >> > > Amazon Web > Services is down. I can’t get to my pictures. Glad we don’t> > >> > > have > our mainframe running there.> > >> > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / > archive access instructions, send> > >> > > email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the message: > INFO IBM-MAIN> >> > For > IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the message: > INFO IBM-MAIN> >> > Email > Disclaimer> >> > This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to > the sender, which may be legally privileged information. 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