#1 yes, of course, cutting Version 0.1 is just the start of being in the software business.
#2, there would seem to me to be a whole continuum of cases (FWIW). What if I have an idea for a commercial product. I use an LE to develop a prototype and test out my ideas. When I have the prototype demoable I take it to an ISV and say "let's make some kind of deal for my idea here" (to be developed, published and supported on your "real" Z). Where would that fall on the spectrum of legal/not legal ethical/not ethical? Of course, I have not even read the agreement. That might be a good starting point. <g> Charles -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2022 8:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: z/PDT IMHO, a justifiable fear of size and ferocity of the legal army at IBM should provide the needed incentive to DTRT for most above-board Learners Edition users, at least most of the time. I can’t speak for dark web bad actors, they are an entirely different kettle of fish. One day (or partial day) spent recompiling on a "real" system to generate a distributable product won’t cut the mustard for any actual product someone may wish to sell. Selling is only the first step. Ongoing support for a product is where the real issue lies. If a "real" product is your goal, becoming an IBM partner and paying for at least the Personal Edition is a far better (though obviously costlier up front) way to go. Peter -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Westerman Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2022 2:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: z/PDT A lot of this is trusting people when they sign the agreement to do the right thing. Brian On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 15:51:33 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka <[email protected]> wrote: >Well, how can it be enforced? >Let's assume someone is working on some software, called XYZ. He's >working on zPDT emulated machine. >Finally he compiles his source code on some real hardware, leased for >one day. Or even not leased, but he is allowed to use the machine for >his own work. Allowed means some company which owns the machine agreed. >I think it is legal to use leased machine for such purpose. The use of >zPDT is not on the picture. > >Disclaimer: Don't kill messenger. The above is just a question. >-- >Radoslaw Skorupka >Lodz, Poland > >W dniu 25.03.2022 o 17:19, Matt Hogstrom pisze: >> IIRC you can’t sell any artifacts (binaries and such) as they must be built >> on real IBM Z hardware. Perhaps this has changed but it was a terms and >> condition way to ensure that real hardware is used for real products. >> >> Matt Hogstrom >> >> "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by >> stupidity.” - Hanlon’s Razor >> >>> On Mar 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Ed Jaffe <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Tony Harminc wrote: >>>> I thought it was pretty clear that what Joseph has, and what I >>>> commented on, is not the "nobody actually has it yet" Learner's >>>> Edition, but the long standing Personal Edition. Obviously I was >>>> wrong. >>> Joseph's question/comment was: >>> >>> <Reichman> >>> Why do I have to pay so much money >>> When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars >>> >>> And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal >>> edition and can sell software you develop >>> >>> If so what makes me different than an ISV </Reichman> >>> >>> So, the "why" of the difference in cost between PE and LE is precisely what >>> we (or at least I) thought was under discussion. >>> >>> As IBM explained, PE allows development while LE does not. >>> >>> Sorry if I misunderstood your comment... >>> >>> -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
