Sorry, didn't mean to be unclear.  I did indeed say "while I am employed by a 
California company I am a company resource", but I meant it strictly 
hypothetically; I could equally well have said "if I am employed" etc.

Before remote work became more usual I contracted in a lot of states, but never 
California.  Five or so years before COVID I switched over to all remote; I 
work from home in NC.

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-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
Dean Kent
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 11:51

My response was directed at Bob Bridges, who indicated he is in California.   
In California the 'contract' I was asked to sign is not enforceable, which is 
why the back page said 'Not applicable to California and Minnesota employees'.  
 Yes, some states have stronger labor laws than others.   So, no, in California 
a company cannot require what it wants - only what the law allows.

--- On 12/19/2023 6:27 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> In the US it varies by state, but in general the company can require what it 
> wants. If you refuse to sign, they may negotiate or may refuse to hire you. 
> Certain contract terms, e.g., yellow dog (non-compete) are illegal in some 
> states.
>
> Software is subject to multiple forms of IP protection, e.g., copyright, 
> patent, trademark, and some open source licenses depend on copyright law.
>
> --- On 12/4/2023 7:53 AM, Bob Bridges wrote:
>> Ok, now you've got me curious.  While I'm employed by a California software 
>> company, I ~am~ a company resource, am I not?  How is the law worded to 
>> bypass that (so to speak)?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dean Kent
>> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 09:48
>>
>> California law, to the best of my knowledge, does give the employer 
>> ownership of an invention/product if it was developed using company 
>> resources, and/or...

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