Wrong thread, Lennie...

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On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 3:35 PM Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Maybe my statement needs correcting. I meant DD parameters, rather than
> JCL statements.
> I have done this, but it was over 30 years ago. I believe you can specify
> many JCL parameters which can go on DD statements. These are then applied
> to the IEFRDER DD statement.
> Happy to be corrected if someone else has better knowledge or if behaviour
> has changed since then.
>
> Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
> https: //rsclweb.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf
> Of Seymour J Metz
> Sent: 20 December 2023 12:31
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Z/OS Survey - Unusuall system commands
>
> ?
>
> What JCL statements can START provide. As for parameters, that's limited
> to JOB, EXEC and DD.
>
> Of course, that's enough for a competent auditor to check who can use what.
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
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> ________________________________________
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf
> of Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 7:33 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Z/OS Survey - Unusuall system commands
>
> START will take all sorts of JCL statements as parameters. You can use it
> to recreate data sets that are needed for other things to start.
> Lennie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf
> Of Seymour J Metz
> Sent: 19 December 2023 14:52
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Z/OS Survey - Unusuall system commands
>
> No, START.
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
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> ________________________________________
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf
> of Itschak Mugzach <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 9:23 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Z/OS Survey - Unusuall system commands
>
> Seymour,
> Was it ROUTE command? ;-) Don't tell them. We fill our refrigerator using
> these weaknesses...
>
> BTW, I like your new Hebrew signature!
>
> ITschak
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> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 4:20 PM Seymour J Metz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I you control your console commands through SAF, you have fairly fine
> > granularity.
> >
> > BTW, a couple of decades ago I reported a similar issue .on a command
> > that is extremely common.  If you're doing an audit, look at the
> > common commands in addition to the rare ones.
> >
> > --
> > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
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> > ________________________________________
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on
> > behalf of ITschak Mugzach <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 3:12 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Z/OS Survey - Unusuall system commands
> >
> > There are some MVS commands that are hard to understand how and why
> > they were created. What bothers me is the fact that the input of the
> > commands that modify MVS behavior allows input from private dataset.
> > These are the first commands I am trying when I do a pentest...
> > For example:
> > *SETLOAD* allows on-the-fly change of parmlib concatenation using a
> > dataset that is not part of the parmlib concatenation itself. for
> > example: SETLOAD 03,PARMLIB,DSN=sys4.relson TCPCIP *OBEY* command
> > allows specification of TCPIP configuration from a private library.
> >
> > How frequent do you use these commands (if ever) and how do you
> > identify the use (assuming that the commands are protected by your
> > ESM). I wonder why IBM allows such a scenario.
> >
> > ITschak
> >
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