In the early 90s, I came close to raising a share requirement to allow the 
AVGVAL specification to default to picking up the lrecl (i.e. when not 
specified explicitly) such that it would effectively allow the space request to 
specify a quantity of records rather than a byte count.  That would have 
allowed a particular dataclass to result in varying space values according to 
lrecl, which seemed like a reasonable idea at the time. Pretty sure it never 
got put into the share sausage machine though. 
Of course still wouldn't help if users have no idea about their record count!  

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On 28 May 2013, at 20:38, John McKown <[email protected]> wrote:

> But, but, cylinders are intuitively understandable, whereas bytes are
> just confusing! <grin/>. Like our programmers keep asking me how big
> to make their data sets, and then don't have any idea how many records
> they will need to store into that data set.
> 
> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Paul Gilmartin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 May 2013 17:34:17 +0000, Pommier, Rex R. wrote:
>> 
>>> That's just where I was going in my thinking.  It looks like something is 
>>> defined as a 3380.  3380 track is 83% of capacity of 3390, and his initial 
>>> allocation of 654 tracks is suspiciously close to 83% of his other 2 
>>> allocations of 780 tracks.
>>> 
>> And this is why IBM (I believe) among coloro che sanno, recommends
>> allocating in bytes rather than geometry-sensitive units such as tracks
>> or cylinders.  Good advice to follow, IMO.
>> 
>> --  gil
>> 
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