I was my understanding that RACF ids with passphrases all still had passwords, 
perhaps unknown to anyone and that it wasn't possible to not have passwords.

I could of course be wrong

> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On
> Behalf Of Alan Altmark
> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2024 7:45 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Passphases
> 
> On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 23:27:38 +0200, Radoslaw Skorupka
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >BTW: a user can have *both* passphrase and password. The second one can
> >be understood as emergency one.
> 
> I beg to disagree. Having the password undoes any enhanced security you get
> from having a phrase.
> 
> The only reason a user should have a password is if they are using a portal 
> that
> does not have support for phrases, or you migrating to phrases.  But at some
> point, you need to upgrade the portal and/or remove the PASSWORD.
> 
> Alan Altmark
> IBM z/VM Development
> 
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