It is entirely possible, near the end of a migration, to change a user’s 
password to something unknown to said user, and hopefully random and unique. 
Thereby effectively eliminating the use of the password while still technically 
having one in the RACF database.
I could see some value in this if you want to keep the 8-character option open, 
but it is not a good idea to me.
Using ALTUSER NOPASSWORD would eliminate the pw entirely.

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On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 11:01 PM, Dave Gibney 
<[[email protected]](mailto:On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 
at 11:01 PM, Dave Gibney <<a href=)> wrote:

> I was my understanding that RACF ids with passphrases all still had 
> passwords, perhaps unknown to anyone and that it wasn't possible to not have 
> passwords.
>
> I could of course be wrong
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On
>> Behalf Of Alan Altmark
>> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2024 7:45 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: Passphases
>>
>> On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 23:27:38 +0200, Radoslaw Skorupka
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >BTW: a user can have *both* passphrase and password. The second one can
>> >be understood as emergency one.
>>
>> I beg to disagree. Having the password undoes any enhanced security you get
>> from having a phrase.
>>
>> The only reason a user should have a password is if they are using a portal 
>> that
>> does not have support for phrases, or you migrating to phrases. But at some
>> point, you need to upgrade the portal and/or remove the PASSWORD.
>>
>> Alan Altmark
>> IBM z/VM Development
>>
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