Good point. Still we aren't answering the original question... -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Martin Packer Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2025 12:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Java saved IBM Z?!
Not to disagree but a filesystem would've been necessary - beyond 8-character qualifiers and 44 characters overall. Cheers, Martin From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf of Phil Smith III <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, 26 March 2025 at 16:22 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Java saved IBM Z?! Ok, mayyybe. Though I'd point out that the existence of USS may have made (probably did make) those other things easier to implement, but that doesn't mean they were impossible without it. And your response doesn't really address my question, I don't think? -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ed Jaffe Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2025 11:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Java saved IBM Z?! On 3/26/2025 7:38 AM, Phil Smith III wrote: > https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-notable-failed-programming-tools-t > hat-promised-to-revolutionize-software-development > > Trausti Thor Johannsson's response (which is currently at the top there, but > might not be later) includes "[Java] not only made Mainframe computers not > die but made them very useful." > > I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim that Java saved IBM Z, nor that > it's a major use case. Yeah, it's there, but even with zIIPs and zAAPs it's > not all THAT common, is it? Or have I just been working with the wrong sort > of customers? I have said *many* times that z/OS UNIX nee OS/390 USS nee MVS Open Edition saved the mainframe. Of course, by "mainframe" I meant traditional z/OS mainframe environments. Years ago, I met Bill Schoen at an IBM TDM reception in Poughkeepsie and shook his hand so vigorously that he probably remembers it to this day. I told him that I credited him, more than any other individual in the world, with saving the mainframe. If Don Ault had been there, I would have congratulated him too. That team (I think they were in Kingston at the time) implemented a fundamentally-crucial difference in capability that has been leveraged over the years by TCP/IP, Java, z/OSMF, and many other critical components. And now Kershaw Mehta and his team, standing on the shoulders of giants, continue that great work by fundamentally improving z/OS UNIX to support native containers. -- Phoenix Software International Edward E. Jaffe Chief Technology Officer 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 https://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message, including any attachments, appended messages and the information contained therein, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient or have otherwise received this email message in error, any use, dissemination, distribution, review, storage or copying of this e-mail message and the information contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this email message and do not otherwise utilize or retain this email message or any or all of the information contained therein. Although this email message and any attachments or appended messages are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the sender for any loss or damage arising in any way from its opening or use. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless otherwise stated above: IBM United Kingdom Limited Registered in England and Wales with number 741598 Registered office: Building C, IBM Hursley Office, Hursley Park Road, Winchester, Hampshire SO21 2JN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
