TFM probably doesn't give enough context quite often. When I worked with the Information Developer for the BatchPipes/MVS manuals she and I made sure as much context was in as possible.
I do think there is a difference between "Guide" and "Reference" but even the former has limited context. Probably that's necessary. That's why Redbooks are so useful. Cheers, Martin From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf of Seymour J Metz <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, 15 October 2025 at 14:07 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Political topics Always verify that the relevant information is in TFM before saying RTFM. In fact, verify that it is not hidden away. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf of Martin Packer <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 4:35 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Political topics External Message: Use Caution I'm gentler on the "you could've got that from the manual" thing. Cheers, Martin From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf of Brian Westerman <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, 15 October 2025 at 05:56 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Political topics I agree, although I think that there are some on the list that are acting as systems programmers and ask a lot of questions that seem to point to them seemingly not knowing what they are doing. In some cases I have to wonder if helping them is actually helping or maybe just keeping someone from getting a job that can do that work. I believe that we need to help people to learn, and I try to do that when possible, but I have to wonder about the expertise level that we are dealing with sometimes. Just my feeling, but maybe there needs to be some limits on asking questions that can be easily answered by looking in the manual. Plus the semi-constant political stuff really does suck eggs. For some reason it tends to bring out the grumpiness in a lot of people. Brian On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 02:53:54 +0000, Doug Fuerst <[email protected]> wrote: >YAY!! > >Doug Fuerst > > > >------ Original Message ------ >From "Darren Evans-Young" <[email protected]> >To [email protected] >Date 10/14/2025 22:11:35 PM >Subject Political topics > >>Please stop with the political discussions!!! I'm tired of it. This is not >>the forum for it. >>I'm going to start setting people to REVIEW. >> >>Darren >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless otherwise stated above: IBM United Kingdom Limited Registered in England and Wales with number 741598 Registered office: Building C, IBM Hursley Office, Hursley Park Road, Winchester, Hampshire SO21 2JN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless otherwise stated above: IBM United Kingdom Limited Registered in England and Wales with number 741598 Registered office: Building C, IBM Hursley Office, Hursley Park Road, Winchester, Hampshire SO21 2JN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
