No American company will pay more than $50/hour to anyone who is not
American (or British). Even if the professional has decades of experience
in z/OS and HLASM.

Just today, I was offered $45/hour for an HLASM programmer position. That's
only because I live in Brazil.

On Thu, Feb 5, 2026 at 6:28 PM Steve Beaver <
[email protected]> wrote:

> I have started telling recruiters that my inflation adjusted rate is
> $120/Hr because i refuse to make less than I did in 1990
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> No one said I could type with one thumb
>
> > On Feb 5, 2026, at 13:10, Steve Beaver <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > I saw that one too. TLMS I didn’t think was still in use
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > No one said I could type with one thumb
> >
> >> On Feb 5, 2026, at 13:09, Steve Beaver <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> 
> >> When Indian recruiters call now I start by saying unless you are
> offering $120/Hr W2 then you do not need to be talking to me and you need
> to tell your managers that you are getting push back on the low rates. If
> we ALL push back all at the same time recruiters and companies will get the
> point
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> No one said I could type with one thumb
> >>
> >>>> On Feb 5, 2026, at 12:33, Pommier, Rex <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Another issue related to this is the fact that some (many/most??) US
> firms won't hire independent contractors.  They require a contractor be
> hired through an agency.  Lets see, less money for the worker, more money
> coming out of the company's coffers.  Lose, lose proposition.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On
> Behalf Of Mike Beer
> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2026 12:08 PM
> >>> To: [email protected]
> >>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] mainframe skills - was cross posted
> >>>
> >>> This problem is not restricted to US projects.
> >>>
> >>> I recently was contacted for an Austrian banking project with specific
> mainframe skills plus agile experience (SCRUM master) plus JAVA development.
> >>> This skill set is rare - the recruiting firm offered EUR 60/hour.
> >>> This is ridiculous - on the other hand this bank's software keeps
> crashing very often. So they will have cheap people, but not the necessary
> skills.
> >>>
> >>> And I agree, most - but not all - recruiters have no clue what they
> are talking about.
> >>>
> >>> IBM does not really help to keep the mainframe business - instead of
> promoting the stability of mission critical infrastructure, everything is
> AI.
> >>> It is good to have at least some people who know what they are doing,
> instead of having to ask ChatGPT for every task.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>> Mike
> >>>
> >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >>> Von: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> Im
> Auftrag von Steve Thompson
> >>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Februar 2026 17:55
> >>> An: [email protected]
> >>> Betreff: Re: Cross Posted
> >>>
> >>> Before anyone starts arguments on supply and demand and capitalism,
> free market and the like, (again) understand this:
> >>>
> >>> What Steve and I and others like us are running into is a large number
> of recruiter/ing firms who are all trying to get the same contracts. So to
> get the account, they quote low.
> >>>
> >>> Then on DICE, INDEED, Monster and the others (some of these are being
> bought and merged), but the end effect is offering rates that are below
> what we were making about 1990 and that is NOT adjusted for inflation.
> >>>
> >>> Add to this that the majority of the people contacting me do not know
> how JES2 or JES3 is pronounced. They don't know most of the acronyms we use
> in the industry. They can't read a tech based resume to understand that one
> is not a sysprog, but is a software developer.
> >>>
> >>> Just wanted to get us on a level playing field before the noise starts.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Steve Thompson
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> On 2/5/2026 10:43 AM, Steve Beaver wrote:
> >>>> For the US people, I have been beat to death looking for zOS DB2
> >>>> Systems DBA’s and people that know ACF2, RACF, and TSS
> >>>>
> >>>> These skills are RARE.  Doing my research Recruiters at offering $60
> >>>> per hour where the honest labor rate should be $150 per hour or higher
> >>>>
> >>>> My suggestion is that if you have any of these skills. Tell the
> >>>> Recruiter $150/Hr or go away
> >>>>
> >>>> As a data point. They pay you $60 per hour and they charge the
> >>>> customer $150 per hour
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> No one said I could type with one thumb
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