I use it almost daily, but I likely deal with more sites than most people. Brian
On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 03:46:06 +0000, Dick Williams <[email protected]> wrote: >Everyone knows 13 is open, 14 is close, 37 is space. And I didn’t need to know >assembler for that. I took an assembler class in college and never used it in >over 40 years. > > >Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > >On Tuesday, February 10, 2026, 3:20 PM, Dick Williams ><[email protected]> wrote: > > >I already don’t have to listen to the nonsense. Retirement is sweet. > > >Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > >On Sunday, February 8, 2026, 9:32 PM, Doug Fuerst <[email protected]> >wrote: > >Sorry, its like riding a bike. If you can't get it back really quickly, >then maybe you never really knew it. >I managed for 14 or 15 years, then went back to being technical as a >consultant. Took me maybe a week to be functional. >I just think all of this is silly. And I am glad that in a few years I >won't have to listen to this nonsense anymore. > >Doug Fuerst > > >------ Original Message ------ >From "Steve Thompson" <[email protected]> >To [email protected] >Date 2/8/2026 20:56:13 PM >Subject Re: Trade Union > >>Brian: >> >>You have made a point that I agree with and am guilty of. I can write ALC for >>exits, SVCs, etc. But I haven't installed z/OS since 1.6. I haven't had the >>need to do an IOCDS (or whatever it is called today) for over 10 years. But I >>have written SMP/E because of being a developer. And as a result have done >>APARs and PTFs, and have written the install doc. >> >>I would love to get into some kind of class to get my z/OS install skills >>back up. >> >>And I think I had said earlier that we need to do re-cert after some period, >>because our skills get rusty, like mine are. >> >>Regards, >>Steve Thompson >> >>On 2/7/2026 4:53 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: >>>This is just my 2 cents worth so hopefully no one will be outraged by my >>>comments, but why would anyone be excluded from certification? I know >>>electricians that have been doing electrical work that I would not trust to >>>change a light bulb. But the ones that have been certified tend to be a >>>completely different (and better) class. I have known, and still do, many >>>"Systems Programmers" that have over 25 years of "experience" that don't >>>have what I would consider basic systems programming skills. In a gathering >>>of systems programmers, if you ask how many know assembler well enough to >>>write an exit, not many hands will go up. If you ask how many have actually >>>installed z/OS with z/OSMF or Serverpac, you would likely get the same >>>result. You might ask if it is fair to be excluded just because you don't >>>yet know assembler or have had the "chance" to install z/OS but if you want >>>to have a certification, then you have to establish the minimum requirements >>>and guarantee that everyone who obtains that certification meets them. >>> >>>If you establish a standard that you could create a certification for, then >>>allowing those that should easily be able to pass the certification out of >>>even taking the "test" is silly. It would cheapen the meaning of being >>>"certified". There should be requirements to maintain the certification as >>>well. Just because you learned how to do something 27 years ago doesn't >>>mean you can do it now, nor that you can do it well enough to demand a >>>premium price to be paid to perform that work. >>> >>>Brian >>> >>>On Fri, 6 Feb 2026 14:45:19 -0600, Steve Beaver <[email protected]> >>>wrote: >>> >>>>How many of the US Consultants would be open to creating at trade union >>>> >>>>With the specific proviso that everyone with over 25 years' experience >>>> >>>>Would be excluded from getting certified but could go get certifications >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Steve Beaver >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>><mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>>>send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
