Ron,
Please, read carefully my first words:

I did mean DISK overwrite.


Eazytier or other vendors features, or SVA-like type of emulation make it hard to overwrite DISK (physical disk) from host level. However your point contains another assumption, untypical IMHO: logical volume overwrite. Not whole dasd array, but (single) logical volume. Well, even RVA/SVA can be overwritten effectively when you fill up all the volumes with uncompressible data, like mentioned MP3 files. The same would apply to current HDS array, even with Eazytier - just because one overwrites whole array. Of course it's still not as good as overwrite of physical disks, because every array do have spare disks, "special" disks for internal purposes (are there business data there?), etc.

Regards

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Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland








W dniu 2014-01-29 09:34, Ron Hawkins pisze:
Radoslaw,

One of the problems I see with Host based overwrite is that you can only
overwrite the current location of the logical volume.

If you are using IBM's Eazytier, or Hitachi's HDT you really do not know the
past location of the chunks of the volume, only the last location. The same
problem exists for volumes copied with volume copy products that dynamically
allocate the target address. Once the relationship is removed how do you
know where it was and what is left behind.

I'm a strong believer in encryption of data at rest. I can't imagine that
anything can be assembled from the residual image at the edges of a track
when said track is encrypted with a strong key length. A single overwrite
will defeat decryption by luck or stealth

I would hope that best practice for overwriting a disk array before removal
would be to format the drives as useable volume space front to back and
overwrite all of those volumes. One pass is enough with encryption at rest,
and as many as you feel is enough for data in the clear.

Ron

1. I did mean DISK overwirte. Not some emulated gismo, especially not dasd
arrays like Iceberg/RVA. That's completely different story and - important
-
it's still not applicable to number of writes. The problem in such arrays
is to
really overwrite the disks, no matter how many times. It's important to
overwirte al least once, but every disk area, each copy. It's more like
caution
to delete dataset *and* its copies and backups.
(Disclaimer: spare sectors on HDD is yet another story.) 2. Fun story:
some
company used special software to overwrite PC HDDs.
The number of writes was set to 5. Reason: default was 3, "but we want
more security".
3. Regarding possibility rto read *valuable* information overwritten
once: Such theoretical possibility assumes one use good microscope and
watches single magnetic domain. There is no hidden HDD command like
"read deleted info". And now: what is easier: decrypt encrypted content of
play with 100000000000000000-element puzzle of domains?



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