Paul:

It wasn't stubbornness so much I find getting on in my age I try not to ramble with long names that everybody understands (except for maybe you) and trying to keep things sharp and focused. I don't have enough time to go on about every option or (OS) there is. When you floated the 5 or 6 options I just didn't feel like typing out all the possibilities that you had. Short and sweet and only when there is a need explain and since we were talking about Z/os I thought it was understood that MVS was really the umbrella. Now you can argue more I don't care to as the understanding is MVS=Z/os in my world.

Ed

On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:

On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 08:25:50 -0700, Phil Smith wrote:

John Chase wrote:
z/OS is a "package". MVS is "just an operating system" that's included in z/OS.

What he said. I'm as pedantic as the next guy (well, not if the next guy is some of the people on this list) but there are times when "MVS" is the correct term. Especially (but not only) when distinguishing traditional data sets from UNIX System Services files.

My point, perhaps made too subtly, was Ed G's apparent stubborn refusal to admit the existence of z/OS. But even so, Unix System Services (Ed called it "the 'others'") existed as far back as MVS (not z/OS) 5.2.2 or earlier.

-- gil

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