I agree with Shmuel 100% (something I do not often say LOL). His point is
the point I was trying to make earlier. I have so often read that
explanation where I was the bottom line, and so it becomes "Look in the
mirror and contact yourself."

Frankly, I think it is often a crutch. What is really means is "we don't
quite know how to explain it." It's like when you asked your Dad where
babies came from, and he said "ask your Mom."

Charles

-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 6:20 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Abend s0077

In
<of258dd86d.09e117da-on85257d81.003e86b6-85257d81.003ec...@us.ibm.com>,
on 10/30/2014
   at 07:25 AM, Peter Relson <[email protected]> said:

>I disagree completely. The expected reader of "programmer response"
>is an application programmer. 

Then make the explanation "Have your systems programmer contact IBM."

IAC, my experience is that application programmers don't like to read; they
go to the systems programmer and ask him what the message means.
In that situation, "ask yourself" is a maddening "explanation".
BTDT,GTS (no tee shirt, just scars.)

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