Bill,

Sorry, but I must humbly disagree with you.  The technical prowess (or lack 
thereof) of regular Mainframe programmers is positively on-topic for this issue.

In response to your hypothetical question, IMHO anyone who lights a match in 
that cellar counts as "stupid" and deserves the result that they get.  Natural 
selection is brutal, only the smart and aware survive.  Continuous 
self-education is a life skill that all need to learn for survival in a 
constantly changing world.

I have never believed in "hiding away" technical sophistication.  Management 
may or may not decide that they want such techniques to be used (I have 
personally had one such technique rejected by management in the last 
half-decade), but (again IMHO) not publicizing the sophisticated technique is 
never a good idea.  "Business logic" is not a homogenous entity, sometimes 
business needs require sophisticated solutions, and programmers should be made 
aware of all the tools at their disposal.  Whether and when they are ultimately 
used is a different set of issues entirely.

To the topic at hand, I think I understand IBM's rejection of this part of the 
new COBOL standard at this point in time, for all the reasons described in this 
thread.  Many questions and not many good answers yet.

Frank S.,

You may be surprised at how many "ordinary" programmers will grasp the concepts 
and pitfalls of dynamic storage allocation if you only give them a clear 
exposition of the ideas and details of how to use it.  I have done that here 
more than once with reasonable success.  Plus once you introduce them to COBOL 
POINTER variables, many other techniques will become possible and easier to 
understand, including ways to avoid moving large chunks of storage around when 
using a pointer will do the job, thus improving performance in non-trivial ways 
by eliminating unnecessary MOVE's.

Try it, you may find that you (and they) like it.

Regards,

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
Of Bill Woodger
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 7:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: COBOL 2014 dynamic capacity tables

Well, Peter, there is much in what you say, but be careful of quotes.

"Mmm... I smell gas in this dark cellar, has anyone got a match...?" - was the 
person ignorant of the rapid combustion of said gas when a flame is introduced, 
or just stupid? Same question for the match provider, and the others with them. 
Given the chance to question the fleeing ghosts, you'd probably hear "we needed 
light, we've always done it that way".

How to improve Mainframe COBOL programmers is way off this topic.

Yes, explain, but also hide it away. I normally dislike the idea that "then 
some magic happens" in programming, but for the out-of-the-ordinary which is 
not part of the business logic, stick it in a sub-program (can be embedded 
these days, and included within a copybook, and the nice compiler will even be 
able to consider it for "inlining" so you may be able to have your cake and eat 
it. 
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