If you look at equipment resellers, you can get a 35 MIP z10 for next to nothing. You still need storage and communications and software like CICS and power Steve Beaver
-----Original Message----- From: "Bigendian Smalls" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 10:33am To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Why Can't You Buy z Mainframe Services from Amazon Cloud Services? Timothy - I did read all the links on your page - it’s what prompted the rant. And, likewise, if you read my post in its entirety, you know that 15 days of a “test-drive of development-based tools on Z” does positively and unquivocally zero to address the items I enumerated. No way that testdrive (and its anemic 15 day limit) would provide an intelligent person an even remotely fighting chance of learning anything useful about the platform with which to make a decision on schooling, trade or vocation. Is there value in the link you provided? Sure. Does it address anything I said. Nope. Respectfully, Chad > On Dec 9, 2016, at 12:40 AM, Timothy Sipples <[email protected]> wrote: > > Bigendian Smalls wrote: >> TL;DR - there needs to be a free version of z/os & it’s siblings sooner > than >> later, to not do this is to potentially starve the platoform out of > existence >> as we know it. > > Didn't anybody read the page that I linked to? There is, already. For up to > 15 days. > > Charles Mills wrote: >> What??? THIS is IBM's answer??? > > As a reminder, I do not speak for IBM. If you'd like *IBM's* answer, ask > IBM through an official channel. *My* answer, writing only for himself, is > to state a plain fact: free z/OS access is available, today, from IBM, for > up to 15 days. I believe in facts. Let's at least start with them. IBM > probably will if you're going to make an argument with IBM. > > Scott Chapman wrote: >> I don't see anything there that says one can do real production business > work >> using z/OS, starting at $0. > > No, you don't. I answered Charles Mills's question, not some other question > that he didn't ask. > > I would point out that the cost to provide z/OS services, or any computing > services for that matter, is greater than zero, especially but not only for > "real production business work." If you'd like to suggest that any company > price its set of products and associated services below cost, it wouldn't > shock me if that company disagrees with your suggestion. > > That said, IBM has priced z/OS (and associated middleware, tools, and > utilities) access at $0, for up to 15 days, per the terms and conditions > associated with that offering. The Master the Mainframe contest is another > example of $0 z/OS access. IBM provides *some* $0 z/OS access, already. > > Charles Mills wrote: >> How does a smallish business get going on z/OS? (Answer: they don't.) > > Sure they do. Here's an example: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtX0naUx6Qo > > John McKown wrote: >> But I'm still not likely to find a z13s at the mom & pop >> fast food place like I would a PC or two. Probably not even in a high >> priced law firm. > > Analogously you won't often find a MRI machine in an elementary school's > nurse's office. IBM z Systems with their associated operating systems and > middleware are major pieces of capital (in the generalized sense, not > necessarily in the financial accounting sense), of a certain minimum > "heft." The minimum heft is less than many people think (see above, and see > Connor Krukosky's parents' basement, as examples), but it is something. > Otherwise it wouldn't be an IBM z System (or a MRI machine, or a Boeing > 777, etc.) > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Timothy Sipples > IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM z Systems, AP/GCG/MEA > E-Mail: [email protected] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
