35 MIP or 35 MSU? -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 9:56 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Why Can't You Buy z Mainframe Services from Amazon Cloud Services?
If you look at equipment resellers, you can get a 35 MIP z10 for next to nothing. You still need storage and communications and software like CICS and power Steve Beaver -----Original Message----- From: "Bigendian Smalls" <mainfr...@bigendiansmalls.com> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 10:33am To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Why Can't You Buy z Mainframe Services from Amazon Cloud Services? Timothy - I did read all the links on your page - it’s what prompted the rant. And, likewise, if you read my post in its entirety, you know that 15 days of a “test-drive of development-based tools on Z” does positively and unquivocally zero to address the items I enumerated. No way that testdrive (and its anemic 15 day limit) would provide an intelligent person an even remotely fighting chance of learning anything useful about the platform with which to make a decision on schooling, trade or vocation. Is there value in the link you provided? Sure. Does it address anything I said. Nope. Respectfully, Chad > On Dec 9, 2016, at 12:40 AM, Timothy Sipples <sipp...@sg.ibm.com> wrote: > > Bigendian Smalls wrote: >> TL;DR - there needs to be a free version of z/os & it’s siblings >> sooner > than >> later, to not do this is to potentially starve the platoform out of > existence >> as we know it. > > Didn't anybody read the page that I linked to? There is, already. For > up to > 15 days. > > Charles Mills wrote: >> What??? THIS is IBM's answer??? > > As a reminder, I do not speak for IBM. If you'd like *IBM's* answer, > ask IBM through an official channel. *My* answer, writing only for > himself, is to state a plain fact: free z/OS access is available, > today, from IBM, for up to 15 days. I believe in facts. Let's at least > start with them. IBM probably will if you're going to make an argument with > IBM. > > Scott Chapman wrote: >> I don't see anything there that says one can do real production >> business > work >> using z/OS, starting at $0. > > No, you don't. I answered Charles Mills's question, not some other > question that he didn't ask. > > I would point out that the cost to provide z/OS services, or any > computing services for that matter, is greater than zero, especially > but not only for "real production business work." If you'd like to > suggest that any company price its set of products and associated > services below cost, it wouldn't shock me if that company disagrees with your > suggestion. > > That said, IBM has priced z/OS (and associated middleware, tools, and > utilities) access at $0, for up to 15 days, per the terms and > conditions associated with that offering. The Master the Mainframe > contest is another example of $0 z/OS access. IBM provides *some* $0 z/OS > access, already. > > Charles Mills wrote: >> How does a smallish business get going on z/OS? (Answer: they don't.) > > Sure they do. Here's an example: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtX0naUx6Qo > > John McKown wrote: >> But I'm still not likely to find a z13s at the mom & pop fast food >> place like I would a PC or two. Probably not even in a high priced >> law firm. > > Analogously you won't often find a MRI machine in an elementary > school's nurse's office. IBM z Systems with their associated operating > systems and middleware are major pieces of capital (in the generalized > sense, not necessarily in the financial accounting sense), of a > certain minimum "heft." The minimum heft is less than many people > think (see above, and see Connor Krukosky's parents' basement, as examples), > but it is something. > Otherwise it wouldn't be an IBM z System (or a MRI machine, or a > Boeing 777, etc.) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------- > Timothy Sipples > IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM z Systems, AP/GCG/MEA > E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ========================== This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. 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