> On Sep 29, 2017, at 9:46 AM, R.S. <[email protected]> wrote: > > W dniu 2017-09-25 o 23:23, Jesse 1 Robinson pisze: >> ServerPac supplies a number of default names with three qualifiers such as >> SYS1.TCPIP.llq. We routinely eliminate any middle qualifier as being both >> redundant and confusing. >> >> 1. SMPE knows data sets by llq. SMPE cannot manage hlq.mlq1.llq and >> hlq.mlq2.llq concurrently. JCLIN does not know from anything other than llq. >> 2. Who can remember which data set groups have an mlq and which do not? >> >> Does anyone attempt to carry these default names forward to production? > > Ad 1. IMHO SMPE knows datasets by DDDEFs, which are usually equal to LLQ, but > need not to be. > Ad 2. It's much better to look at dslist, not to remember. > > Yes, we do carry most of default names, including 3-qualifiers ones. No > animal was hurt because of that. > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > >
Radoslaw: IBM *used* to use only sys1. Then they slipped a few more in, then a few more in and kept increasing it. I got sick and tired of updating the security product almost every 6 month to accommodate these changes. Then the security changed from us to a security group. Then all hell broke loose, they basically refused to do the update we requested as they became a burden to the group (that was their claim). I decided at that point it was easier for me to change than depend on an outside entity. I made the decission to hell with IBM naming standards and stay with sys1. It was easier for me to rename the datasets and recatalog them than for the security people to get involved (we had a rock solid sys1 rule). Since I had control of all compile procedures as well that was a minor additional work for me to do. The CEE and the ICQ (which we never used) and the others (ISR,ISP etc) were better maintained by me and only needed minor work. I chucked IBM’s PITA naming conventions and never looked back. To this day you will not find any of those oddball datasets on any system that I am responsible for. System installs (and blackouts although never used) were always a non event. One time I had to almost backout a JES2 change which they did not document but I used a PDS mass update programs to fix that. The Hardcoded names like TCPIP… I had to live with and I have never forgiven IBM for doing such an jerky thing. The one exception I had to live with, which still boils my blood every time I have to deal with them. BTW, IMO TCPIP was the starter of the of the evil IBM has set loose on sysprogs the world over. Ed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
