+1 to Paul and just to remind (again) that isrddn do have a warning panel
if you type lpa or apf. It is true that isrddn user can't browse a
protected library, but he can use the LOAD comnand to browse it in srorage
(that what i use to look secretly into ichrin03)... not only that, isrdn
described in dics as a third level tool. Not sure this is appropriate tool
fot a regular tso user.

I usually find tools like iplinfo, showmvs and other free tools  in a
standard ispf concatenations. They are very valuable to white, grey and
black box penetration.

As a penteater i always look to collect configuration information and apf
is surely one source.

ITschak

בתאריך 29 בינו׳ 2018 9:31 אחה״צ,‏ "Paul Gilmartin" <
[email protected]> כתב:

> On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:05:29 -0500, Peter Relson  wrote:
> >...
> >If  a customer does not have their APF or PARMLIB or LNKLST or LPA
> >libraries properly protected, that is a different matter entirely, and is
> >one of the reasons why there is a RACF health check related to APF.
> >...
> >The information itself cannot be "exploited". Customer security gaps can
> >be exploited.
> >
> >Security by obscurity (which is what you'd get to a small extent if what
> >was asked for was implemented) is often only a little better than nothing.
> >
> Yes.
>
> But someone mentioned "need to know".  If an adninistrator carelessly
> leaves
> sensitive information in a readable file, it invites an exploit.  Health
> check is
> likely not to notice that.  Fetch protection narrows the community of
> exploiters.
> Security is rarely perfect; not all-or-nothing.  The closer the better.
>
> The FOSS community takes the view that the more eyes on the code, the
> sooner
> a weakness will be recognized, reported, and repaired.
>
> The Enterprise community takes the view that the more eyes on code, the
> more
> likely a weakness is to be exploited.  IBM seems to fall in this category
> by
> embargoing integrity defect information long after patches are available.
> Is that
> "security by obscurity"?
>
> -- gil
>
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