That's part of a larger problem. The industry badly needs trained auditors 
capable of blocking such nonsense rather than endorsing it, but I won't hold my 
breathe.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf of 
Edward Gould <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 8:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: RFE For ISRDDN/DDLIST to further protect system integrity

> On Jan 27, 2018, at 9:05 AM, Peter Relson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> As Rob Scott pointed out, the information displayed is available to any
> program. There is no system integrity issue with displaying any of this
> information.
> Changing that data to be fetch protected (which is the only way to protect
> it) would be unacceptably incompatible and would break existing tooling.
>
> If  a customer does not have their APF or PARMLIB or LNKLST or LPA
> libraries properly protected, that is a different matter entirely, and is
> one of the reasons why there is a RACF health check related to APF.
> Restricting DISASM would not gain anything practical, since it is already
> only displaying data that the user is permitted to access; restricting it
> would just cost an interested party a little bit of extra time.
>
> The information itself cannot be "exploited". Customer security gaps can
> be exploited.
>
> Security by obscurity (which is what you'd get to a small extent if what
> was asked for was implemented) is often only a little better than nothing.
>
>
> I'm quite sure that the request will be declined.
>
> Peter Relson
> z/OS Core Technology Design
Peter,
I agree with what you are saying completely. However there is a large group of 
companies out there lying to the Senior Execs and this is one of their angles 
to get involved in security. I have seen at least two companies that actually 
lie and then it takes my days/weeks of talking to stop these people from coming 
in. I am not sure what the answer is but please somebody figure out how to stop 
these people.
Ed


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