https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopher_wood
The wood used in Noah's Ark.  Location believed to be Eastern Turkey
or Northern Iraq

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:40 PM, zMan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Where was Gopher Wood? Is that near Norwegian Wood? What kind of market did
> they have that Noah cornered? Or was Noach someone different?
>
> Inquiring minds want to know.
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Seymour J Metz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Even without an explicit license clause there's the issue of the DMCA.
>> It's always best to read the license and communicate concerns prior to
>> signing.
>>
>> The issue is strictly a legal one; you've been able to specify the virtual
>> CPUID since old man Noach cornered the market in Gopher Wood.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf
>> of Brian Westerman <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 12:21 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: Product license key program
>>
>> No violation is performed, unless the vendor specifically prohibits it
>> (which I doubt anyone would do).  Simulating the CPU serial has existed
>> under VM for as long as I can remember.  There is no violation from doing
>> this as the z/OS CVT freely identifies that it's an "emulated" system.
>> Most key modules check for this and it's up to the vendor to decide whether
>> or not to allow it and under what circumstances and for how long.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>   On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 16:16:40 +0000, Seymour J Metz <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Simulating the CPUID may violate the license agreement. If you're going
>> to use keys, explicitly address the issue.
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>> >http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>> >
>> >________________________________________
>> >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf
>> of Brian Westerman <[email protected]>
>> >Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 12:57 AM
>> >To: [email protected]
>> >Subject: Re: Product license key program
>> >
>> >The problem with just using a date, is that the software could be moved
>> to any machine and duplicated any number of times and you would never know
>> about it to keep it from being unlawfully duplicated without payment.
>> >
>> >This doesn't mean that you don't trust your clients.  In effect, while
>> some might argue, it's really just like locking your car or your home or
>> having a bike lock.
>> >
>> >Lets say that you generate your software and the people at company "X"
>> pay the license until January of 2020.  In the mean time, 40 people who
>> used to work for company "X", decide that it's soooo good that they want to
>> take it to their new site with them.  That would be great if you got
>> revenue from that movement, but you can't unless they call you and tell you
>> that they moved the software and their "new" company would like to license
>> it.  Also, maybe the people at company "X" decide that they want to defray
>> the cost of the software they licensed from you, so they sell copies on the
>> internet to other sites.  It will run until January of 2020, so there is
>> nothing to keep it from happening.  I'm not saying that every client is
>> dishonest, but it only takes one person to make it bad for you.
>> Admittedly, this is probably a bit far fetched, but it's late and I'm
>> tired. :)
>> >
>> >On the other hand, if you had a check in your module for the CPU Serial
>> number, (and machine type or LPAR name, or any of several limiting
>> factors), the client is in no way harmed or inconvenienced, because it will
>> operate as before with no impediments, save that the software can't be
>> "moved" without your permission.
>> >
>> >This should not cause any problems with DR testing or a real disaster
>> because most, (if not all) DR sites run under VM and will simulate the
>> serials and MT for just this purpose.  You can also check for running under
>> VM and disallow it (or generate warnings), but that is not normally
>> necessary and gets away from the point I'm making.
>> >
>> >Also, your key code needs to take into account that the site might have
>> multiple physical processors (separate mainframes), so you want to make
>> sure that your "key" code supports multiple entries.  This will also be
>> useful for those sites that use "friend" arrangements for their DR sites
>> (other companies who share each other's sites as Disaster Recovery sites
>> for each other).
>> >
>> >You can/should also add code that temporarily allows the product to
>> function when the key doesn't match, for use as a trial or for when "stuff"
>> happens that the site for some reason needs to use the code on another box
>> "temporarily".  You can limit it for a period of time, or number of uses,
>> or whatever you think is reasonable, it's your software, you make the
>> rules, while generating messages that let the site know in no uncertain
>> terms that the the license is not "currently valid".
>> >
>> >There are lots of nice features you can add to the key process, and you
>> can do as many vendors have and set up a web page to generate "emergency"
>> keys for, well.... emergencies.  The reason is because "stuff happens" and
>> no one is happy if the product can't be used for some reasonable reason and
>> they can't contact the vendor until the next day because no one happens to
>> be on call that night.
>> >
>> >If you are going to implement keys, you might as well do it right and
>> make sure you test-test-test the process before you send it out to your
>> client(s).  It's a good way to lose them if you mess up something like
>> this.  All sites will understand the necessity of you having keys in your
>> software, but no one will understand if it isn't rock solid.  It's such a
>> little nit to implement correctly, but all it takes is one error in the key
>> generation program to ruin your day.
>> >
>> >Brian
>> >
>> >
>> >On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 21:02:37 +0000, Savor, Thomas (Alpharetta) <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Brian,
>> >>
>> >>Never thought about Using CPUID and/or machine type as part of a
>> software key.
>> >>
>> >>Generally speaking we try to stay away from tying application to any
>> kind of machine.
>> >>Our application is typical Cobol/Asm, Batch/CICS and VSAM/DB2 system.
>> >>Cobol 5 was first change in years that required major changes to our
>> application.
>> >>Usually a change to the Operating System has no effect on application
>> executing properly.
>> >>
>> >>But having said that, since I didn�t know really what makes up a key and
>> how they work, this is an interesting change in direction and thinking.
>> >>Thanks for the ideas.
>> >>
>> >>And thanks for the ofrer of help....I will almost certainly need it.
>> >>
>> >>Thanks,
>> >>
>> >>Tom Savor
>> >>
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