I hate doing a search in the KC, because you seldom get a pointer to what you 
are searching for, but have to divine other searches to get to the data. 

KC SEARCH STINKS!!!!!



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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Carmen Vitullo
Sent: 12 June 2018 19:40
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Rant of the Day - First World Problems

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What bothers me the most, is IIRC, before KC, if I searched for some IBM 
message or APAR or PTF...whatever, a hit on Google sent me to the exact 
selection of the doc, now it just brings me to the TOC of the DOC, and if I 
search again, in KC the search tool does not send itself to highlight or show 
me appropriate content. Bookmanager and PDF lend themself to show me when my 
search content was found.
not just what documents it was found in.
my .0002 cents


Carmen Vitullo

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From: "Alan Young" <ayo...@teleport.com>
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 1:26:54 PM
Subject: Re: Rant of the Day - First World Problems

When IBM made the change they should have coordinated with Google to dump the 
current index of the site and initiate a reindex.


Still it was a bit abrupt to do this without warning. A couple of people have 
left comments on the new landing page requesting reinstatement of that 
version's KC.


________________________________
From: Scott Fagen <scottf_21...@outlook.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 08:35
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Rant of the Day - First World Problems

Just figured I'd do the LISTSERV equivalent of primal scream therapy.

One of the pleasures of Google is the ability to get help on almost anything 
IBM mainframe related by searching for something like:

TSO REXX POS

and you'd get back a pointer to the page in the online library to the POS 
function within the first five or so Google hits. Given that the z/OS 2.1 doc 
has been out there for a very long time, almost all of the "hits" refer to the 
z/OS 2.1 knowledge center.

IBM took down all these books in the last couple of days and now all of these 
hits have been turned to $hit:

Documentation for z/OS V2.1.0 is no longer available in IBM Knowledge Center.

While the product version and release remains in service, you can find 
information in the following formats:
Individual PDFs for downloading: 
https://www.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svcoo100.nsf/pages/zosv2r1-pdf-download?OpenDocument
z/OS V2R1 Adobe Indexed Collection (all PDFs with full text search via the free 
Adobe Acrobat Reader): 
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/zoslib/pdf/zosv2r1pdfcollection.zip
IBM Knowledge Center plugins for downloading (for use with IBM Knowledge Center 
for z/OS): http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/zoslib/SSLTBW_2.1.0_4KC.jar.
For information about current releases of this product see 
http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW/welcome.

More information and resources are available at the IBM z/OS Internet Library: 
https://www.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svcoo100.nsf/pages/zosinternetlibrary?opendocument.

Now, this isn't IBM's fault. However, taking the same search to the z/OS 2.2 KC 
main page gives nothing of value for someone looking for the POS (ironic, huh?) 
function (the search was TSO REXX POS):

- The TSO command environment
- Host command environments for z/OS UNIX processing
- TSO commands, CLISTs, and REXX EXECs
- Using TSO subcommands from a TSO CLIST or REXX exec
- REXX ADDRESS TSO support requirements

Here's Google's #1 hit (that's as far as you have to go) for TSO REXX POS:

POS (Position) - IBM
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.../pos.htm
POS (Position) z/OS TSO/E REXX Reference SA32-0972-00 ... (See also the INDEX 
and LASTPOS functions.) Returns 0 if needle is the null string or is not found 
...

To curtail a possible rathole on this discussion, please don't suggest adding 
"z/OS 2.2" to the Google search. It doesn't help. The Googler simply returns a 
similar set of hits and says it couldn't find "2.2".

POS (Position) - IBM
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2...ibm.zos.../pos.htm
z/OS TSO/E REXX Reference ... returns the position of one string, needle, in 
another, haystack. (See also the INDEX and LASTPOS functions.) Returns 0 if ...
Missing: 2.2 <==== weird for the most likely hit, no?

I'd be glad to entertain suggestions on how to better negotiate Google (use 
Bing?) or make the IBM KC site return more intelligent results. Whatever 
happened to Watson?

Rant complete,
Scott Fagen
21st Century Software

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