On Tue, Jul 03, 2018 at 09:02:41PM -0400, Phil Smith III wrote:
> David W Noon wrote:
> 
[...]
> >A lot of the old EDS mainframers were made redundant because HP felt the
> 
> >mainframe was dead. The mainframe now helps to keep HPE alive.
> 
>  
> 
> How's that? HPE NonStop isn't a mainframe. x86 servers aren't mainframes. I
> don't understand.

Perhaps they mean VAX and Alpha-based computers - I believe those had
been acquired from DEC via Compaq and they (HP) were supporting both
VAXen and Alphas, at least before the split. I may be wrong, however,
and I have no time to check my notes/sources.

I wonder if it is still possible to get VAX VMS from them (whoever
"them" may be nowadays, HPE?) - it was possible to do so, by paying
some tens of bucks for membership in their hobbyist group. After that
one could download iso and licences.

I think that back in time, PDP-10 was being called a mainframe, too.

Likewise, a computer running Multics probably deserves to be called a
mainframe. But there are maybe two of them, globally? Plus some being
run as emulators, even giving accounts to interested public (and same
with public VAXen, there are/were few of them on the net, one could
login as guest and/or apply for normal account).

So, it was not only z, some time ago.

BTW, would it count as a mainframe if I ran one inside emulator on PC?

-- 
Regards,
Tomasz Rola

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