Boy I thought I was an old timer, BAL on a 360-20 ...I feel better, your..lol
Scott On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 4:37 PM Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote: > I never mentioned the Altos; you did. > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf > of Wayne Bickerdike <wayn...@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 3:41 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: How about a little Christmas fudge? | Computerworld Shark tank > > "If you want to pick nits, read "Z-80" as "S-100 PC using a Z-80"; it's not > a mainframe, nor is the 1401." > > I'll pick nits. Altos was not S100 bus.Cromemco was. Next? > > I was in short pants when 1401 was a mainframe. Long pants with Z80. So my > memory is hazy. Just remember older peers talking about 1401 autocoder. > > On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 7:10 AM Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote: > > > If you want to pick nits, read "Z-80" as "S-100 PC using a Z-80"; it's > not > > a mainframe, nor is the 1401. > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf > > of Wayne Bickerdike <wayn...@gmail.com> > > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 10:20 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: How about a little Christmas fudge? | Computerworld Shark > tank > > > > Z80 was a processor. How could it possibly crop up in a discussion about > > what constitutes a mainframe? > > > > The Altos 8000 was Z80 based as was the North Star Horizon and the > Cromemco > > System 3. I worked with these in the 70's to *escape* from the mainframe, > > the demise of which was imminent. LOL. > > > > Anything you can carry to the boot (trunk) of your car cannot be a > > mainframe:) > > > > On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 6:35 AM Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote: > > > > > > Well, ... the IBM 1401 was built in a substantial frame; > > > > > > Substantial? Look at Figure 1 in > > > > > > http://secure-web.cisco.com/1zGfHVf_OSYTQR-iZeSwUT8hxfRxttRuC64KrmAu3AhbMnt6LyyW-Hp7yUNcU7paWuZbaHN-dbxbJnuJHOx9LIqoVZWk7vzR-Zf_OX4a-ClGtjfSbOPIVMFxIYkYFtcTq3wcZWdiCj-mXgIPGWhxl28vAMZ1aONn5mbNieTKHYzw1k0c2PV0LwDte-VgAq97Jx2hDglzP552wj1RSpk5G_qZ_RDsEi7dChi57va08L87z1kDPeqAKuNsBN2Q7B6n_eifj13cYJcD8Yt0Kvnqcp-EOUAILLbudkLUwdnk4-_f08qEDAsB2PwtlvypFOcQPHqfJ0Xr4VAHmbroBTURny__aAFNQh_eMyKMzSVkqdPg3lYYZ6mCOVtUUmQe7i0Z4HxuWC0BQn26sEcrnl20BORwkDAq-Yvee0rnuF4AyYxT2sKH_bL1pTZCR5VLHMUzp/http%3A%2F%2Fbitsavers.org%2Fpdf%2Fibm%2F1401%2FA24-1401-1_1401_System_Summary_Sep64.pdf > > > . > > > > > > > it appears to have the only > > > > > > If a Z-80 had been the only computer mentioned, would you have called > it > > a > > > mainframe? > > > > > > > Other members of the same general family like IBM 1410 were certainly > > > regarded as a mainframe. > > > > > > > > > The 7010 was certainly called a mainframe, and possibly the 1410, but > > > never the 1440 or 1460. > > > > > > > With a recent MS in Comp Sci, I found myself in the U.S. Army > 1969-1971 > > > > (started in Infantry but ended up as head Company Clerk at HHC of > "The > > > > Old Guard" at Ft Myer VA). I remember reading some memo that came > down > > > > from above the Battalion suggesting the possibility of using a > > > > punched-card-based system for maintaining and producing our Company > > > > Roster. That might have involved an IBM 1401, > > > > > > More likely a UNIVAC 1005. > > > > > > -- > > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on > behalf > > > of Joel C. Ewing <jcew...@acm.org> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 11:56 PM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: Re: How about a little Christmas fudge? | Computerworld Shark > > tank > > > > > > Well, ... the IBM 1401 was built in a substantial frame; and in the > > > context cited it appears to have the only (hence surely the "main") > > > computer present. Other members of the same general family like IBM > > > 1410 were certainly regarded as a mainframe. I'm pretty sure any > > > computer large enough to require one or more dedicated frames was > > > called a "mainframe" in those days. When mini-computers first came > out, > > > they weren't considered mainframes because they were typically only the > > > size of a single rack and could even be carried. > > > > > > With a recent MS in Comp Sci, I found myself in the U.S. Army > 1969-1971 > > > (started in Infantry but ended up as head Company Clerk at HHC of "The > > > Old Guard" at Ft Myer VA). I remember reading some memo that came down > > > from above the Battalion suggesting the possibility of using a > > > punched-card-based system for maintaining and producing our Company > > > Roster. That might have involved an IBM 1401, but my impression at the > > > time was that the functions they were describing could easily have been > > > done with just unit-record equipment. Nothing ever came of it while I > > > was there. It would have saved us the periodic tedium of one or more > > > man-hours of manually typing up a new roster in which few names > changed, > > > but given that our time was cheap and available, there would have been > > > no way to cost-justify using a process that would save our time but > slow > > > down the overall process by requiring outside resources. Clearly, at > > > that time, punched card decks were one of the databases used for > > > tracking military personnel. > > > Joel C. Ewing > > > > > > On 12/26/18 2:42 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > > What is he smoking? Since when was the 1401 a mainframe? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on > > > behalf of Mark Regan <marktre...@gmail.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:28 AM > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > > Subject: How about a little Christmas fudge? | Computerworld Shark > tank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1iMlW_GZ2Scqioa5F4rqymcywO0OTBLBFOtYPuQZZF6F73Kv0x_B9nU3SOTiheXf32DsESHEBSvbzXuJ78Z2XaRKtXr7A2GITbjxnEDGjBqcDiOzF9WOIQCYJIH89nABmY7xso9DckpD3Q10YPvrxhvPVeFvR6IYMhBl0Po4k4-03fXnkJSammKYm3lrjMJyX4f-lcp9YlEt59dyzYTF_at6wT-i9VPdyfHx5DVlOyFFEzAQxZe-ifUcS7uOAE70lUB6w6ZfwDLRp9vhqQVEaCVSjXFSY0F4a2YhM92FII0XRqIAu4y7yW4Iop4TXQVM-iMQuqleDME3jgueepL3jXWQ797SaO4hRpNph47Gl9FOTKIqwIXeAe2DNqPGTQMlRexhctM6zHXZYT2EbywHPaw/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.computerworld.com%2Farticle%2F3330396%2Fapplication-development%2Fsituation-normal-all-fudged-up.html > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Joel C. 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