I only waiting for a reply from Statler and Waldorf... (grump, grump). Kees.
-----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of scott Ford Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 18:43 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: How about a little Christmas fudge? | Computerworld Shark tank I helped convert from a System 3 to a 4361 On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 10:21 PM Wayne Bickerdike <[email protected]> wrote: > Z80 was a processor. How could it possibly crop up in a discussion > about what constitutes a mainframe? > > The Altos 8000 was Z80 based as was the North Star Horizon and the > Cromemco System 3. I worked with these in the 70's to *escape* from > the mainframe, the demise of which was imminent. LOL. > > Anything you can carry to the boot (trunk) of your car cannot be a > mainframe:) > > On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 6:35 AM Seymour J Metz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Well, ... the IBM 1401 was built in a substantial frame; > > > > Substantial? Look at Figure 1 in > > > http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/1401/A24-1401-1_1401_System_Summary_Sep64 > .pdf > > . > > > > > it appears to have the only > > > > If a Z-80 had been the only computer mentioned, would you have > > called it > a > > mainframe? > > > > > Other members of the same general family like IBM 1410 were > > > certainly > > regarded as a mainframe. > > > > > > The 7010 was certainly called a mainframe, and possibly the 1410, > > but never the 1440 or 1460. > > > > > With a recent MS in Comp Sci, I found myself in the U.S. Army > > > 1969-1971 (started in Infantry but ended up as head Company Clerk > > > at HHC of "The Old Guard" at Ft Myer VA). I remember reading some > > > memo that came down from above the Battalion suggesting the > > > possibility of using a punched-card-based system for maintaining > > > and producing our Company Roster. That might have involved an IBM > > > 1401, > > > > More likely a UNIVAC 1005. > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on > > behalf of Joel C. Ewing <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 11:56 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: How about a little Christmas fudge? | Computerworld > > Shark > tank > > > > Well, ... the IBM 1401 was built in a substantial frame; and in the > > context cited it appears to have the only (hence surely the "main") > > computer present. Other members of the same general family like IBM > > 1410 were certainly regarded as a mainframe. I'm pretty sure any > > computer large enough to require one or more dedicated frames was > > called a "mainframe" in those days. When mini-computers first came > > out, they weren't considered mainframes because they were typically > > only the size of a single rack and could even be carried. > > > > With a recent MS in Comp Sci, I found myself in the U.S. Army > > 1969-1971 (started in Infantry but ended up as head Company Clerk at > > HHC of "The Old Guard" at Ft Myer VA). I remember reading some memo > > that came down from above the Battalion suggesting the possibility > > of using a punched-card-based system for maintaining and producing > > our Company Roster. That might have involved an IBM 1401, but my > > impression at the time was that the functions they were describing > > could easily have been done with just unit-record equipment. Nothing ever > > came of it while I > > was there. It would have saved us the periodic tedium of one or more > > man-hours of manually typing up a new roster in which few names > > changed, but given that our time was cheap and available, there > > would have been no way to cost-justify using a process that would save our > > time but slow > > down the overall process by requiring outside resources. Clearly, at > > that time, punched card decks were one of the databases used for > > tracking military personnel. > > Joel C. Ewing > > > > On 12/26/18 2:42 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > What is he smoking? Since when was the 1401 a mainframe? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on > > behalf of Mark Regan <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:28 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: How about a little Christmas fudge? | Computerworld Shark > > > tank > > > > > > > > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1iMlW_GZ2Scqioa5F4rqymcywO0OTBLBFOtYPuQZZ > F6F73Kv0x_B9nU3SOTiheXf32DsESHEBSvbzXuJ78Z2XaRKtXr7A2GITbjxnEDGjBqcDiO > zF9WOIQCYJIH89nABmY7xso9DckpD3Q10YPvrxhvPVeFvR6IYMhBl0Po4k4-03fXnkJSam > mKYm3lrjMJyX4f-lcp9YlEt59dyzYTF_at6wT-i9VPdyfHx5DVlOyFFEzAQxZe-ifUcS7u > OAE70lUB6w6ZfwDLRp9vhqQVEaCVSjXFSY0F4a2YhM92FII0XRqIAu4y7yW4Iop4TXQVM- > iMQuqleDME3jgueepL3jXWQ797SaO4hRpNph47Gl9FOTKIqwIXeAe2DNqPGTQMlRexhctM > 6zHXZYT2EbywHPaw/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.computerworld.com%2Farticle%2F33303 > 96%2Fapplication-development%2Fsituation-normal-all-fudged-up.html > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > -- > > Joel C. 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