Since IBM announced the demise of VSE/VSAM for VM I've been toying with
the idea of writing a VSAM substitute (at least one good enough for our
GCS-based products that rely on VSAM). I was thinking it would be based
around the *BLOCKIO IUCV service.

Unfortunately, the 1 piece of infrastructure that CMS has that is
missing in GCS is the SUBSYS operand on the FILEDEF command, to allow a
VSAM emulator to get control.

Given that IBM will never bring back VSE/VSAM for VM, what are the
chances of this being provided (allowing exits to get control at OPEN
time, etc) to at least allow vendors to do something else?

Mark Gillis
Senior Software Engineer
Tel: +61 2 9429 2337
Fax: +61 2 9429 2394
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-----Original Message-----
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Alan Altmark
Sent: Friday, 4 May 2007 2:31 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: z/VM usability

On Thursday, 05/03/2007 at 11:35 AST, "Edward M. Martin" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."  was caused by IBM not
> supporting a product that is supported by the other IBM Operating
> systems.
> 
> IBM is basically breaking a working system. (IMHO)
> 
> And I am working on away to get off the VM/VSAM part, and it looks
like
> it will be a NON-IBM solution.  But I am still looking.

By "business as usual", I mean that IBM continually withdraws products 
from the marketplace, even some that people are using.  There are still 
people using VM/ESA V2. 

It was nearly two years ago (June 2005) that we announced that you would

no longer be able to order VM/VSAM effective September 30, 2005.  In 
August of the same year we announced that VM/VSAM would end service 
February 28, 2007.  Standard meaning: "Don't deploy new applications
that 
depend on VM/VSAM and begin working on a migration or risk mitigation
plan 
for applications you already have."  It's true that if there is no 
replacement product from IBM, and no 3rd-party substitute, then, yes,
the 
application is eventually re-hosted or discontinued completely.  And 
sometimes on a non-IBM, non-Linux platform.  IBM makes the decisions it 
makes and has to live with the consequences.

I'm also sensitive to the fact that those decisions can also affect 
someone's livlihood (inside IBM and out).  I don't blame anyone for
being 
upset, if that's the case.

Don't get me wrong, I wish VM/VSAM was still around, but it isn't, so 
you're doing the right thing, triggering an application review.  If you 
choose that the risk of being unsupported is greater than the benefit
your 
company derives from the application, then it is time for a change.

Finally, to the best of my knowledge, we have done nothing to "break" a 
working system.  If you find a defect in CMS that causes VSAM to break, 
and you have a VM support contract, we will fix it.  If you find a
defect 
in VSAM itself, no such luck unless you have an extended VSAM support 
contract.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott

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