Yowza.  

 

A couple other options you might have used are:

 

Ask the BladeServer people to mount the ISO images on the bladeserver and
either share them via NFS (easiest way) or else make them available over
FTP.  The use z/VM FTP to put the files necessary to IPL Linux on the Linux
guest 191 drive (SLES9.PARM, SLES9.IMITRD, SLES9.IMAGE) 

 

Or, if the z/VM instance was allowed to access the internet, once you IPL'ed
as above, you could have downloaded the rest of the install over the
internet. Slow, but it works. 

 

Or if worse came to worse, you could have used the DVD drive  on the
console, if you have one. J 

 

If I had realized, we could have sent you a starter image.  Sorry if I
missed the request.   

 

-Paul

 

From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Walter
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 8:41 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mini-survey: Linux usability

 


Maybe not addressed to the most-affected list, but IBMVM subscribers are
affected, too.  Especially those getting into Linux for System z for the
first time.  It took us around a year to get the first P.O.C. server
installed because our Internet Security group would not permit a CD drive on
anyone's PC to be connected to the mainframe LAN - not even for a the time
it takes to copy the ISO images. 

Eventually we received a DDR copy to tape of a running Linux FTP server
which we quickly restored in our VM system, and by jumping through extensive
hoops (inserting the CDs on a Linux blade server, then mounting them on USS
in z/OS, and then again mounting them on the new Linux for System z FTP
server to actually begin the installation).  What a nightmare and what an
absolute waste of time to begin a P.O.C (all in the name of "security"!). 

I began suggesting the following on July of 2006.  Thus far there has been
little-to-no response... 
If Novell wants to play in the z/VM market, they should provide an easy way
for existing z/VM customers to download a stripped-down SLES FTP server
using tools that every z/VM customer already has available: the z/VM TCP/IP
FTPSERVE server, and (admittedly something requiring a download from the IBM
VM Download site): the CMSDDR package.   

The new-to-Linux on System z customer could run CMSDDR to download a running
Linux FTP server, bring that up, follow rather simple instructions to
customize it for their network, and then bring it up.  Novell could also
supply access to the ISO images such that they could be downloaded directly
through either the CMS FTPSERVE svm, and/or, the newly installed bare-bones
SLES FTP server.  There would  be no need to permit access from someone's CD
or DVD drive to the "mainframe network", and... no need to go though MS
Windows to perform the downloads... ugh! 

Before Mark Post moved to Novell, perhaps there were insufficient z/VM
skills to make this or other ease/speed-of-installation techniques available
at Novell.  Now there may be a light shining at the end of the tunnel? 

Mike Walter                                                         
Hewitt Associates                                                   
Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily
represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. 





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When I first got my mitts on this stuff I had awful trouble getting
anything working until Rob walked down the corridor and helped me out.
We then had a series of discussions concerning a bog-standard DDR
image that would get people up and running.

That was nearly 10 years ago. Given the recent discussion about having
to send notes to Novell to generate sufficient interest to get
something similar, it depresses me to see just how far things have
come in 10 years.

--
Rod (Moan over - back to fixing Access dBs (sigh)...)



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