Hi Tom,

Yep, I've already thought about dropping DDR2CMS (see post I just sent)
- at least it would eliminate the need to copy the file into an RECFM=F
file.

Of course dd from local DASD to a Samba mounted file share would be
perfect, just one little problem - it doesn't run under CMS(!).  I've
got literally thousands of lines of REXX code which automates our DR
process entirely that I'm not prepared to re-write so that Linux can do
the data delivery.   The SnapShots would have to be done in VM/CMS
anyhow since I'm not aware of a SnapShot command interface for Linux,
and various VM-based servers would still have to be brought up/down,
quiesced and such on VM/CMS so it would get a bit complicated (not
undoable, just a lot of wheel-reinventing, and of course the end result
is a process that runs in Linux, I'm a VM'er and like my important
business processes written and running in VM/CMS).   It was the very
first thing I thought of when I realized CMS simply cannot mount remote
EXT3 filesystems and easily read/write to them and NFS was out of the
question anyhow. 

PS:  Did you guys at DOE go the TS1120 route?

-Mike 



-----Original Message-----
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Thomas Kern
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:59 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location


When experimenting with encrypting backups, I used PIPEDDR to write
PACKED versions of the data to a CMS minidisk. These are RECFM F LRECL
1024 and can be ftped to Linux and back as binary files, forcing the
RECFM/LRECL on return. PIPEDDR can then be used to read these files and
restore your DASD.

I also tried the CKDSVRST program from the IBM Downloads page, but that
required the extra COPYFILE (PACK step, again reading/writing the data
more than necessary. 

Have you thought about using Linux tools (dd ?) to read/write your DASD?

/Tom Kern
/U.S. Dept of Energy
/301-903-2211 


On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:42:13 -0400, Michael Coffin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>(Cross-posted on VMESA-L and LINUX-390)
>
>Hi Folks,
>
>I want to eliminate use of tapes in my weekly DR process.  Currently we

>DDR numerous 3390 spindles to 3590 tape cartridges.
>
>I have set up a Linux server at our DR site with a ton of free disk 
>space, but the question becomes what is the best method to get images 
>of our DASD stored on it?
>
>I've modified our procedures to use DDR2CMS to create CMS files 
>representing the 3390 DASD images, which are then FTP'd to the Linux 
>server - but the process is VERY inefficient:
>
>1.     DDR2CMS produces RECFM=V files which are unsuitable for FTP
>(I've NEVER had any luck successfully FTP'ing RECFM=V files to a 
>non-CMS environment and getting them back in the correct format later),
so I
>have to COPYFILE (PACK the output from DDR2CMS.   DDR2CMS takes around
>47 minutes/spindle, and the COPYFILE takes around 38 minutes - the FTP 
>only takes around 17 minutes!  So we are really wasting nearly 90 
>minutes/spindle just prepping the data to be transmitted.
>2.     The output from DDR2CMS for a 3390-3 spindle may actually be
>LARGER than a 3390-3 spindle (even using COMPACT), so we need to use 
>3390-9 spindles as "work space", something I'm not fond of doing (as a 
>general rule we don't use 3390-9's at this site, but I configured a 
>string of them just for this purpose).
>
>There is a great tool on the VM download page called PIPEDDR which 
>basically does what DDR2CMS does using PIPE TRACKREAD - and it can 
>write the output to a TCPIP stage.  This is exactly what I'm looking 
>for, with ONE important difference - PIPEDDR only talks to a remote 
>VM/CMS system running PIPEDDR to receive the output, I need to be able 
>to PIPE the output to a remote Linux storage server.
>
>Can anyone recommend a nice client that can run on Linux and listen on 
>a TCPIP port, accept some authorization credentials and host commands 
>(i.e. MKDIR, CD to dir, etc.) and receive/write to disk a stream of 
>data similar to what PIPEDDR might write to it's TCPIP stage?  I could 
>then skip creating the DDR2CMS file and COPYFILE (PACKing it, writing 
>"indirectly" to the Linux server.  I'd rather not reinvent the wheel if

>there's already something out there.  :)
>
>PS:  It would be sweet if there were just a way to mount a remote EXT3 
>filesystem somehow on CMS, but it looks like the only way to do this is

>with NFS, which is a problem because it is considered an "unsafe 
>protocol".  :(
>
>-Mike
>

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