and who can use trial software without asking the lawyers first either?!! Joe may find it easier just to get his VM ftp server cleared through security, perhaps by agreeing to keep it up for only a short period of time and maybe with an exit in place to allow only him access. And I'm not sure anyone answered the other question, but yes, it is entirely possible (and not all the difficult) to install it first level and use that as test 2nd level later. Your volume labels will be different of course. It would be a simple matter of adding a directory entry to the old system that had a few DEDICATE statements in the directory entry for the volumes to which you loaded the 540 code and setting up the virtual machine right. See the z/VM 5.40 Running Guest Operating systems guide for that.
Marcy "This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation." ________________________________ From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 3:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IBMVM] VM 5.4 first/second level installation Thomas is correct, it's the PC ownership that matters. I was making an unconscious assumption that if Joe is installing z/VM on the company's mainframe, that he's using a company-owned PC to do it. We have a rule here that personally-owned PC's are not allowed on the company network. I wonder what the lawyers would say about using trial software for a couple of hours, then using it again a year later for the same thing. Is that one continuous trial? If the PC software vendor puts out a new version during that year, and you use the newer version for the second install, you'd have a pretty good argument that it's two trials. Dennis O'Brien "If I'd only followed CNBC's advice, I'd have $1 million today, provided I'd started with $100 million." -- Jon Stewart ________________________________ From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Huegel, Thomas Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 14:38 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IBMVM] VM 5.4 first/second level installation Might need a lawyer here.. Joe doesn't need to own a z/VM system. Joe justs needs to own the PC that zftpserver is running on.. Not hat it matters much. You use it for a couple of hours and then your done with it anyways for a couple of years. -----Original Message----- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[email protected]]on Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 4:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: VM 5.4 first/second level installation The key phrase is "Free for personal use". Unless Joe owns his own z/VM system, he's working for an organization of some sort. The free version is specifically not allowed for corporate or institutional use. Educational and non-profit institutions are encouraged to contact the vendor for "special pricing". Dennis "If I'd only followed CNBC's advice, I'd have $1 million today, provided I'd started with $100 million." -- Jon Stewart ________________________________ From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Huegel, Thomas Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 13:55 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IBMVM] VM 5.4 first/second level installation Pretty sure the basic package is free forever. From their website. zFTPServer Suite Free covers basic FTP Server functionality with top notch server performance, ease of use and reliability. Free for personal use the zFTPServer Suite Free version will however have limitations in the number of accounts and advanced functionality offered. -----Original Message----- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[email protected]]on Behalf Of Ward, Mike S Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 3:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: VM 5.4 first/second level installation It's not free, you just get a 30 day trial. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Huegel, Thomas Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 3:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: VM 5.4 first/second level installation You will need an FTP server running on your PC. I found an excellent freebie at zftpserver.com it made life so much earier. -----Original Message----- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[email protected]]on Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 3:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: VM 5.4 first/second level installation List Members, I can use some expert advice as a first time installer of z/VM. After reading the Guide for Automated Installation and Service, I had decided on using the Second-Level DVD Installation method from VM Minidisk. Although, after making a simple calculation, I realized that it would take me about 80 hours to upload all the DVD files to the First-Level minidisk. Given that my 3270 emulation program (Extra) does not support file lists, I decided to abandon this idea. Since we do not have an FTP server attached to our VM systems I thought that a First-Level DVD Installation from the HMC would make more sense. My goal would be to install first-level and then test second-level. I am not certain as to whether or not this sounds reasonable and if there is some who would provide some guidance as to how this could be accomplished. Pointing out a manual reference would be most helpful but any and all suggestions are welcomed. Joseph Di Pippo Operating Systems Programmer III FRIT Computing Services Hardware Support 1-201-531-3820 ========================== This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. 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