--- In [email protected], "Karen Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>> One of the foundation lessons is called "the grown-ups are 
talking,
> please don't interrupt".
> 
> I think that is possibly the biggest single thing I've seen people 
miss, and
> what has turned me off the method as much as I am.  

I don't thing anything is wrong with the method, we have had people 
say the same thing about natural horsemanship, that they have seen 
it going wrong, it seemed rough, they have seen horses ruined. I 
don't think it has to do with the "system", there are always going 
to be people who aren't thinking too deeply about how they shape 
their animal's behavior, and they go on anyway, we can really only 
control what we do with our own animals, ultimately. I would just 
hate to see people discount a method that really *might* be the key 
in their situation (and I have seen this, there is someone on 
another list who refused to consider clicker training and at one 
point was ready to put the animal down, still not having tried 
everything, and now is thinking about a stud chain for a previously 
abused animal). People have to have a learning curve, I think we 
have to allow for that (like it's really in our control anyway:) ), 
they may muddle through for a while before they start to get a 
better grasp of it, it just takes time like with anything.

Kim

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