> >>>Ideally, you want the horse to pick up and carry the bit himself.
>
> I would agree to a point but if the horse has to hold the bit up then there
> has to be some tension in the mouth to do this or it would hit their teeth.
> I think there can be extremes in both directions.
>
> Robyn

thats a thought.  I think where Dorrance was going with it tho is that
its wrong for us to think a general standard "three wrinkles at the
corner of the mouth" should be taught to new people to horses.  For
one thing that many wrinkles means no release ever, and a horse learns
from the release.  Even two wrinkles is no release ever.  Maybe even
one.  So maybe a good way to think of it is to allow the horse no
wrinkles and then he can "seat" the bit himself in a place that is
comfortable.  Their mouths change on any given day too,. maybe a tooth
thing going on, maybe cut their tongue chewing or bit some sharp
forage etc, so its nice to give them a little choice in the matter
while not sacrificing "control" as needed, the smallest amount of
control that works.
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo

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