> Karen, I am just so afraid that the treeless saddles are going to be not
> secure enough for me. The saddle I rode in was a treeless that my butt hurt
> with. Strange name and I don't remember it but it was Icelandic saddle and
> straight leg panels, very uncomfortable for me. My back hurt because of the
> straight position for the legs and knees. ugh. Sylvia


iam the same sylvia, but my sensation hybrid is very secure feeling,
doesnt slip, and the other treeless saddles either hurt my hips or
knees, or the stirrups hung in such a way that I was perched forward
perpectually in the "launch" position.  The sensation has adjustable
stirrup hangers so i can sit secure and naturally, also it is very
very plush and comfy.  I am very big, fit a 16 in western saddle
snugly, but the sensation is ok even tho it is snug, it gives.  I have
tried every treeless saddle there is almost!  Some are horrible.   Bob
Marshall for instance, everyones favorite if they ride treeless and
western, my gosh what an awful saddle.  I dont care HOW tight you get
it it will still slip when you mount, also the stirrups hang so you
feel like you are sitting in a deep hole with your feet behind your
knees, just kills your hips.  I know a person who has been riding one
for years and has such horrible hip probs she is looking at surgery.
I keep telling her the BMSS hurt my hips and i dont even have hip
probs and she wont listen!  That is not a good saddle, i dont care
what anybody says.  All the other treeless that seem good for the
horse etc, if they dont have this adjustable stirrup position then
people built certain ways like me, they are gonna have to sit perched
forward.  There is no way to feel relaxed and secure in that position.
 Some of them tho, like the treeker, will work with the sensation
stirrup hanger which you can order from Kaaren Jordan for not much at
all, like maybe 25 bucks.
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo

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