>>>You seem very firmly against their work Judy and I respect your point of view.
You could possibly change my mind by providing video of their work. Other than that, all I have is first-hand experience, what I've seen, what I've heard from others who understand horsemanship, and what we have seen so far in videos and pictures. How about the picture of Sigrun on her icetolt promotion? Is that soft hands? Sometimes unless we see something comparatively, we don't realize that it isn't what it seems to be :-). Thanks for your input and hope you can provide video for us to see some of their current work. Judy
