> >> (http://www.florecita.com/avenal.htm) as an example.  Cranking the
> >> head
> >> up is "false collection" <g>.
> >>
> >
> >
> > i think it is forced ventroflexion!
> > Janice--
>
> Excuse me? Forced how?  Those reins are loose and the horse carries
> himself in the same way at liberty.
>

you misunderstood.  cranking the head up is the way most force ventroflexion.
Janice--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.

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