>>>  i have ridden in about every treeless brand there is and they will all 
>>> slip.  The ways to minimize slippage is to have a good pad,  and a snug 
>>> hunter type breast collar.  period.  no other way if you weigh over 
>>> about 160.  and how you mount factors in.  Like if you really spring up 
>>> there is different than hanging onto the side like you are  being air 
>>> lifted by the coast guard after your boat has capsized in a hurricane, 
>>> which is how I mount.


Cary is 235 pounds, doesn't use a breastcollar.  He has a bad hip (otherwise 
fairly athletic) so he has to "waller up" (to use a Janice phrase) onto the 
horses' backs.  His Sensation doesn't slip.  I promise...it doesn't.  His 
mounting technique is NOT pretty - he looks like an old man getting on a 
horse. BUT, he knows how to hold on so he doesn't torque the saddle, so it 
stays put nicely.

Karen Thomas, NC 

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