+1 bro iggy... On Jan 11, 2012 2:43 PM, "Iggy Budiman H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> Kalau saya membaca : Eric Schmidt pernah mengatakan bahwa HP seharusnya > gratis (layanan advertising Google yg menyediakan subsidi) > Yang saya tangkap itu sekedar harapan dari Google, dan bukan berupa janji. > Kalau sampai penulis kecewa, yang bloon ya dia sendiri karena nggak ada > janji disitu. > > Yang saya lebih nggak ngerti hubungannya antara kekecewaan akan HP gratis > dan ke-"open"-an Android dimana ya? > > Untuk soal terminology open dari Android, apakah memang ada masalah? Saya > sendiri melihat kalau semua orang bisa dan boleh saja bikin handset > Android, bikin ROM Android, bikin aplikasi Android dan semua itu > dipersilahkan oleh Google. Dari situ rasanya sudah open banget deh. Apa > masih ada kurangnya yah? > > > salam > -iggy > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Andi - leo5354 <[email protected]>wrote: > >> ** >> Secara garis besar yg saya tangkap dari artikelnya adalah kekecewaan >> author bahwa konsep awal Google atas dunia mobile lewat platform Android >> ternyata justru tidak ditepati. >> >> Salah satu alasan yg dikemukakan adalah bahwa Eric Schmidt pernah >> mengatakan bahwa HP seharusnya gratis (layanan advertising Google yg >> menyediakan subsidi) >> Tp kenyataannya karena keterbatasan Google sendiri, dimana mereka bukan >> operator jaringan memaksa Google berkompromi dengan operator sehingga harga >> handset bukannya jadi murah malah lumayan mahal (contoh yg diberikan adalah >> Nexus One dgn harga $579) >> >> Selain itu soal Net Neutrality dimana menurut author Google yg pada >> awalnya mendukung konsep itu malah akhirnya berkolaborasi dgn operator >> Verizon (yg menentang) >> >> Secara garis besar opininya memang masih subyektif karena berdasar >> pendapatnya tp argumennya jelas dan masuk akal walau masih bisa >> diperdebatkan >> >> Paling ngga kita jadi punya perspektif lain atas terminologi "open" >> Android sebagai platform >> >> To work, to sweat and to struggle is the enjoyment and achievement of life >> ------------------------------ >> *From: * Amer <[email protected]> >> *Sender: * [email protected] >> *Date: *Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:06:45 +0700 >> *To: *<[email protected]> >> *ReplyTo: * [email protected] >> *Subject: *Re: [id-android] WTI - Hate Android >> >> blom baca karena bahasa linggis saya jelek. >> jadi kesimpulannya borok android dan google ada hubungannya dengan open >> flatform itu gimana om? >> >> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Andi - leo5354 <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> ** >>> Google translate aja bro >>> Artikel ini wajib dibaca oleh mereka yg mengagungkan Android sebagai >>> "open" platform karena dalam artikel ini beberapa borok Android dan Google >>> dibeberkan secara lugas dan jelas >>> Nice share buat authornya karena membantu kita memandang hal dari suatu >>> perspektif yg jelas dan didukung fakta, bukan asal ngomong tp ngga nyambung >>> To work, to sweat and to struggle is the enjoyment and achievement of >>> life >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: * Andika Ikhsan <[email protected]> >>> *Sender: * [email protected] >>> *Date: *Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:18:49 +0700 >>> *To: *<[email protected]> >>> *ReplyTo: * [email protected] >>> *Subject: *[id-android] WTI - Hate Android >>> >>> tadi liat twitter ada TT "Hate Android" >>> ternyata asalnya adalah dari artikel ini.. >>> http://parislemon.com/post/15604811641/why-i-hate-android >>> jujur bahasanya rada njelimet dan ada hubungannya sama sejarah android >>> yg saya sendiri ga paham.. mungkin ada yg bs ngasih penjelasan soal fakta2 >>> yg disebut di artikel ini? >>> >>> >>> *HATE ANDROID* >>> >>> Why do I hate Android? It’s definitely one of the questions I get asked >>> most often these days. And most of those that don’t ask probably assume >>> it’s because I’m an iPhone guy. People see negative take after negative >>> take about the operating system and label me as “unreasonable” or “biased” >>> or worse. >>> >>> I should probably explain. >>> >>> Believe it or not, I actually don’t hate Android. That is to say, I >>> don’t hate the *concept* of Android — in fact, at one point, I loved >>> it. What I hate is what Android has become. And more specifically, what >>> Google has done with Android. >>> >>> Let’s turn back the clock. In 2006, the mobile landscape in the United >>> States was almost unfathomably shitty. Motorola’s RAZR had been the >>> top-selling device for something ridiculous like five straight years — and >>> the only thing that didn’t suck about it was its physical size. The >>> carriers completely controlled the industry. This cannot be overstated. >>> >>> Then on January 9, 2007 — exactly 5 years ago today — Steve Jobs took >>> the stage at Macworld to unveil the iPhone. Six months later it was >>> released. While some laughed it >>> off<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXq9NTjEdTo>at the time, the mobile >>> landscape completely changed. >>> >>> Apple and Google were great allies at the time. They united over a >>> common enemy: Microsoft. Then-Google CEO Eric Schmidt was even on Apple’s >>> board of directors. Google was a huge part of original iPhone OS (before it >>> was called iOS): Google Maps, YouTube, Google Search, etc. Apple could have >>> launched the iPhone without Google, but it wouldn’t have been as good. And >>> if they had to do something like build their own maps from scratch, it >>> would have taken longer. >>> >>> A few months later, on November 5, 2007, Google teamed up with many of >>> the big players in the mobile/telecom space to announce the Open Handset >>> Alliance. At the time it sounded promising, but perhaps it should have been >>> the first warning sign. The first product of this partnership: Android. A >>> beta was released, but it would take almost another year before the >>> software was actually ready to go. >>> >>> The initial Android >>> prototypes<http://gizmodo.com/334909/google-android-prototype-in-the-wild?tag=gadgetsandroidhardwareinthewild>looked >>> a lot like BlackBerry devices (both in hardware and software). But >>> the first device (the G1) and OS actually released was more of a cross >>> between a T-Mobile Sidekick (which Android head Andy Rubin helped create >>> while still a co-founder at >>> Danger<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_%28company%29>) >>> and the iPhone OS. >>> >>> In hindsight, Steve Jobs was clearly not happy about >>> this<http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/steve-jobs-android-a-stolen-product/61504>and >>> the subsequent iPhone-ification of Android. But great artists steal, >>> etc, etc. The only thing I didn’t like about Android at the time was that >>> it was a *shitty* copy of the iPhone. It was something you couldn’t pay >>> me to use. And most people seemed to feel the same way. >>> >>> Jobs probably didn’t say much at the time because he didn’t have to. The >>> market was saying it. >>> >>> Time went on and it was pretty clear that despite the major players >>> involved in the OHA, Android wasn’t getting a lot of traction. Meanwhile, >>> the iPhone, after a price-cut and addition of 3G technology, was soaring. >>> So Google did the logical thing, they went to see Verizon, the largest U.S. >>> carrier, and struck a >>> deal<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33192558/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/t/verizon-google-android-partnership/#.Twuk997uYug> >>> . >>> >>> Remember, Apple still had an agreement with AT&T for exclusive iPhone >>> rights in the U.S. at the time. Verizon and Google needed each other. But >>> Google clearly needed Verizon more. This was the first real problem. A deal >>> with the devil was struck. >>> >>> Let’s back up for a second. >>> >>> Even before Android’s launch, Google clearly had big dreams for the >>> mobile space. “Your mobile phone should be free,” Eric Schmidt >>> told<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15700344/>Reuters in late 2006. He >>> envisioned a world in which consumers didn’t have >>> to pay for their mobile phones — advertising (served by Google, naturally) >>> would subsidize the cost. And we’re not talking “free” with a two-year >>> carrier contract. We’re talking *free* free. >>> >>> In the pre-iPhone world this may have sounded like crazy-talk. But >>> remember, as an Apple board member and having purchased Android for Google >>> in 2005, Schmidt knew what was coming down the pipe. He absolutely intended >>> to disrupt the mobile market. >>> >>> But again, the initial releases of Android simply didn’t have the >>> traction needed to come close to fulfilling Schmidt’s (and Google’s) dream. >>> So deals with the carriers had to be made. >>> >>> Still, Google hung on to the hope of a free phone. That phone was called >>> the Nexus One. >>> >>> At an event in January of 2010, Google unveiled their plan for Nexus One >>> — the first real “Google Phone” as it were. While they were cautious and >>> cagey with some details, the goal seemed clear: Google intended to blow up >>> the carrier market (in the U.S. first) by moving phone distribution online, >>> flattening it in the process. The idea was that you’d go to a website and >>> pick the phone you wanted, then pick the *carrier* you wanted, pay, and >>> you’d be done. >>> >>> Think about this for a second. Instead of going to the store of a single >>> carrier and having a dozen shitty phones shoved in your face by salespeople >>> that made commission, you’d be in total control of the process. The end >>> result of consumers getting to choose their carriers (and phones and plans) >>> was clear: major competition and subsequently a rush of better deals from >>> said carriers to ensure customer activation and retention. >>> >>> Or, you could buy whatever phone you wanted *unlocked*. Eventually, >>> pay-as-you-go SIM cards would pop up in the U.S. as a result. >>> >>> This was to be the dawn of the golden age of mobile in this country. As >>> I wrote at the time: Apple And Google Just Tag Teamed The U.S. >>> Carriers<http://techcrunch.com/2010/01/05/apple-google-carriers/>. >>> I loved it. >>> >>> But it was never meant to be. >>> >>> What should have been obvious at the time but for whatever reason wasn’t >>> (maybe because carrier representatives were at the event), the carriers >>> hated this plan. And for good reason — it was going to turn them into dumb >>> pipes that competed on price. There was no way they were going to let this >>> fly, and they didn’t. Within a few months, citing weak sales of the Nexus >>> One, Google scrapped their ambitious website and instead got fully in bed >>> with the carriers. >>> >>> But there was more. >>> >>> What no one knew at the time, and I only heard months >>> later<http://techcrunch.com/2010/09/10/google-nexus-one/>, >>> was Google’s original vision for the Nexus One. Google intended to sell it >>> for $99 without a contract and unlocked. Yes, a $99 unlocked phone, >>> subsidized by Google ads. >>> >>> But the plan had one little problem: Google didn’t operate their own >>> cellular network. They needed Verizon or AT&T or Sprint or T-Mobile to help >>> them out. Google probably thought their open spectrum deal >>> “win”<http://venturebeat.com/2008/03/20/did-google-trick-verizon-into-spending-billions-for-a-spectrum-auction-win/>in >>> early 2008 gave them the leverage they needed here. Sadly, it did not. >>> >>> All of the carriers laughed in Google’s face when presented with the >>> ambitious Nexus One plan. And given that Google had just signed the >>> all-important deal with Verizon, it was never going to happen. >>> >>> So instead, at the Nexus One launch we got a website where you could >>> indeed buy an unlocked Android phone — for $529. Nonstarter. >>> >>> Better yet, while they said they were committed at the time, Verizon and >>> Sprint never even got around to supporting the Nexus One *at all*. >>> That’s how much they were behind the project. >>> >>> To complicate matters further, behind the scenes, Verizon and Google >>> were arguing over Net Neutrality rules. Verizon was opposed, Google was in >>> favor. Then a funny thing happened. Google started supporting Verizon’s >>> viewpoint on the matter! If you’re looking for the first post where I’m >>> really, truly, pissed off at Google, look no further. >>> >>> It. Was. Total. Fucking. >>> Bullshit.<http://techcrunch.com/2010/08/13/google-net-neutrality/> >>> >>> A few months later, guess what happened? Thanks to the Google/Verizon >>> alliance on the matter, the FCC decided the compromised vision of Net >>> Neutrality was just fine >>> also<http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/21/verizon-google-fcc-net-neutrality/>. >>> To be clear: Net Neutrality was thrown out in the wireless space because >>> Google sided with Verizon’s ridiculous and horribly conflicted stance on >>> the matter. >>> >>> The open spectrum enemy, turned Net Neutrality enemy, became Google’s >>> bedmate thanks to a business deal. Straight up. Greed, for lack of a better >>> word, is good. >>> >>> We got all of this thanks to Google’s desire for Android to take over >>> the world. I commented earlier that they signed a deal with the devil — I >>> wasn’t being facetious. They actually did! And they got away with it! >>> >>> I think about these things everyday that I see positive news about >>> Android. It’s so wonderful that the platform which helped cripple Net >>> Neutrality and is keeping the evil carriers in control is taking off. Make >>> no mistake: Android is now the carriers’ best friend. >>> >>> Because Google sloppily decided to do the Motorola deal (driven by the >>> full-on patent war <http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/09/vesper/>, for >>> which Apple and Microsoft, and not Google, are largely to blame), and >>> because the model isn’t great for all but the biggest >>> player<http://parislemon.com/post/15418182445/one-out-of-three-aint-bad>, >>> now the OEMs may be our best hope against the carrier/Android alliance. >>> >>> Eventually, many of them will try to do their own thing (perhaps even >>> using Android as a base) because they’re not idiots, they see where the >>> real money is: controlling the entire experience. Like Apple. >>> >>> All of this backstory knowledge fuels my rage. When I see Google talk >>> about how “open” the platform >>> is<http://techcrunch.com/2010/09/09/android-open/>, >>> setting it up as the foil to the “closed” (and framed as “evil”) iPhone, I >>> want to scream and rip someone’s head off. It’s not only the most extreme >>> example of being disingenuous that I can ever recall seeing — it’s nuclear >>> bullshit. >>> >>> Apple, for all the shit they get for being “closed” and “evil”, has >>> actually done far more to wrestle control back from the carriers and put it >>> into the hands of consumers. Google set off to help in this goal, then >>> stabbed us all in the back and went the complete other way, to the side of >>> the carriers. And because they smiled the entire time they were doing it >>> and fed us this “open” bullshit, we thanked them for it. We’re still >>> thanking them for it! >>> >>> When you think about it in the context of this election season we’re >>> entering, it’s a brilliant political maneuver that Google has pulled off >>> with Android. They’ve taken something they’ve done that’s actually bad for >>> us and spun it in such a way that most people actually buy into it being >>> good for us. >>> >>> And for the carriers, Android is the best thing ever because it’s the >>> new “opiate for the masses<http://parislemon.com/post/15200195253/clopen>”. >>> Everything shitty they’re doing is great because they’re doing it with >>> Android — at least it’s not iOS. What a load of horseshit. >>> >>> I realize that the Android team at Google has a lot of good people doing >>> great work. I know some of them. I respect them. But I cannot respect their >>> decision to continue to work on this platform that perpetuates our >>> imprisonment. I have to believe most simply chose not to think about these >>> things. But they should. They really should. >>> >>> There’s no denying that there are upsides to open — a lot of them. But >>> in the case of Android, “open <http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/26/open/>” >>> has been hijacked and wildly contorted so as to mask the shady side of >>> what’s really been going on. And it’s working. >>> >>> So that, ladies and gentleman, is why I hate Android. It has nothing to >>> do with the actual product (which continues to improve every year and is >>> quite good >>> now<http://techcrunch.com/2011/12/14/iphone-galaxy-nexus-review/>). >>> It has to do with a promise that was broken and swept under the rug. >>> >>> As crazy as it may sound to some of you, beyond a full OEM revolt (which >>> could ultimately benefit the carriers as well), our hope now lies with >>> Apple and Microsoft. >>> >>> Apple, because they put the consumer first and have proven time and time >>> again that they will not bend to carrier bullshit and will often work >>> against them behind the scenes. And they control the all-important Apple >>> stores for distribution (and, of course, the App Store). >>> >>> Microsoft, because they have a model (many handsets on all carriers) >>> that can potentially scale better than Apple’s can while still giving >>> control (mostly) to the users. And they have Nokia on board with their >>> plan. And they have intersections with products like Xbox. (Though it >>> may be too late in the >>> U.S.<http://parislemon.com/post/14840209963/the-windows-phone-problem-in-three-words-way-too-late> >>> ) >>> >>> Perhaps more people will relate to this: I hate Android for the same >>> reason that Severus Snape hates Harry Potter — the very sight reminds me of >>> something so beautiful, that was taken. Except it’s worse. 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