On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Arie Kusuma Atmaja < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/4/11 Leo Laksmana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Mau nanya ke Bung Arie, filosofinya pertanyaan ini apa yah? > > I'm temperamental when talking about philosophy. Better not to talk > about that. Males panjang panjang omongin filosofi, enak saya mbaca > buku yg saya suka aja sambil rileks. Hahaha, oke... won't poke my finger anymore than... :) > > > > Karena ini kan gak ada practical use-nya di real life coding. > > s/gak// > > as a developer we often deal with small and specific items, a "small" > thing in Ruby like every one symbol can have memory leak in Hash can > destroy our life and we consider that as "not small" man, that's > serious. I don't know if one example I mentioned has been patched but > I hate it when it became the culprit then our app goes wrong, not > because of our codes, but because of Ruby bugs (now I remember I'm > used to use ruby to write what what what what =)) everything just > sucks. > well, i'm a newbie in ruby (wow, that rhyme nicely eh?) so i guess your concern doesn't really apply to me yet since i'm betting you're a guru (compliment!!!) now you're mentioning memory leaks, are we talking memory leaks in the RubyVM here? If so, in terms of stability, is it a big factor? Inherently any VM arch will have some memory leak. I want to know how "bad" (notice the quote) is it in stock RubyVM? How does it compare to other implementation of RubyVM (i.e. JRuby). > So, a mixin implementation idea that has been implemented in a > software using C language is something _big_ and _practical_ for me. > As we know we might have tremendous different standard to say it's > practical # A business guy might think ruby practical use is when it > has value and we can get $$$$ benefits from it, A marketer might think > ruby practical usage is when it has a great approach that could impact > to transform customers to become our loyal customers, A coder might > think ruby codes that can return result of > "3.months.ago.beginning_of_day" is something. > point well taken... kinda lost in your paragraph but i guess you're talking about value and proposition of ruby for you as a programmer... i guess it boils down to philsophy (ooops, i mentioned it again :) as i said in a recent post, a programming language is just a means to an end. i mean business owners, marketers (you mentioned) should have care less about ruby, but think about the benefits from the product that derived out of a product coded in ruby. we as a developer do care because it inherently help us to better help business owners and marketers in creating their products. looks like it has become a philosophy chat here (strike 2, another one and i'm out :) i'm gonna leave it at that and stop rambling... cheers, -Leo PS: hope to see you whenever you're in jakarta... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
