I am leaving for a few days, with internet access iffy, but I want to mention that I like the idea of adding a turtle output window to Idle. We already have most of the needed pieces in turtledemo (which I helped revise a year ago). It can be run either from Idle's Help menu or with 'python -m turtledemo'. Replace the read-only text window with an editor window (or notebook), add a mini shell under for print() output, and the result would be close to the mockup Chris showed.

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Terry Jan Reedy

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