On 2/5/2024 2:08 PM, Jim Fenton wrote:
On 5 Feb 2024, at 14:02, Dave Crocker wrote:
On 2/5/2024 1:56 PM, Jim Fenton wrote:
And you will also provide citations to refereed research about what you just 
asserted as well, yes?
Ahh, you want me to prove the negative. That's not exactly how these things go.
You said that the URL lock symbol failed. Asking for research to back that up 
is not asking for you to prove the negative.


Ahh.  Defending by attacking.  Nice.

But actually, given what I said, yes it is being asked to prove the negative.

I said it's been a failure. Failure means that after many years, it has not been a success.  Were the symbol successful, we'd see reductions in user understanding, awareness and resistance abuse.

Do we have serious data that it has been?  If so, where is it? Do we even have an anecdotal sense of widespread utility?  I think not.

But wait.  There's more...

All of the following are strong indicators of failure:

   /"In our study, we asked a cross-section
   <https://techxplore.com/tags/cross+section/> of 528 web users
   <https://techxplore.com/tags/web+users/>, aged between 18 and 86
   years of age, a number of questions about the internet. Some 53% of
   them held a bachelor's degree or above and 22% had a college
   certificate, while the remainder had no further education. /

   /One of our questions was, "On the Google Chrome browser bar, do you
   know what the padlock icon represents/means?" /

   /Of the 463 who responded, 63% stated they knew, or thought they
   knew, what the padlock symbol on their web browser meant, but only
   7% gave the correct meaning."/

https://techxplore.com/news/2023-11-idea-padlock-icon-internet-browser.html

https://www.nextgov.com/cybersecurity/2019/06/fbi-warning-lock-icon-doesnt-mean-website-safe/157629/

   /'In an alert published Monday
   <https://www.ic3.gov/media/2019/190610.aspx>, the bureau’s Internet
   Crime Complaint Center, or IC3, warned that scammers are using the
   public’s trust in website certificates as part of phishing campaigns./

   /“The presence of ‘https’ and the lock icon are supposed to indicate
   the web traffic is encrypted and that visitors can share data
   safely,” the bureau wrote in the alert. “Unfortunately, cyber
   criminals are banking on the public’s trust of ‘https’ and the lock
   icon.” '/

https://theconversation.com/the-vast-majority-of-us-have-no-idea-what-the-padlock-icon-on-our-internet-browser-is-and-its-putting-us-at-risk-216581

https://www.sciencealert.com/theres-a-tiny-icon-on-your-screen-but-almost-nobody-knows-why

https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/3/23709498/google-chrome-lock-icon-web-browser-https-security-update-redesign

https://www.howtogeek.com/890033/google-chrome-is-ditching-the-lock-icon-for-websites/


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Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
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